From tony at tonybibbs.com  Tue Apr  1 15:24:42 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:24:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] PEAR::HTML_Template_Flexy
In-Reply-To: <002901c2f7f8$50001d10$6401a8c0@thor>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304011422470.19034-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Jason, thanks for posting the follow-up.  I'm wrapping up my MVC 
implementation as well as the new GL2 language stuff and from there we 
will be ready to start in on the GL2 module API which, as you eluded to, 
will require a decision on the template system.

 On Mon, 31 Mar 
2003, Jason Whittenburg wrote:

> BTW, I said this on the IRC channel but will repeat it here for the record.
> 
> I've played with Flexy over the past few days, converting some of my code to
> using it.  I really like it!  Much better than IT.  It made the code simpler
> and the templates were very easier to create.  Though I don't use WYSIWYG, I
> can understand how that is "a good thing" (tm). The speed was great, even
> without Cache_Lite installed.  It looks Cache_Lite compatible so the speed
> would only get better.
> 
> So I will +1 the use of HTML_Template_Flexy for GL2 and -1
> HTML_Template_IT(X).
> 
> Anyone else want to share an experience or opinion?  I know Tony wants
> answers! :-)
> 
> -Jason
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>
> To: "Geeklog Developers" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:11 PM
> Subject: [geeklog-devel] PEAR::HTML_Template_Flexy
> 
> 
> > Thanks to Jason for this link:
> >
> > http://devel.akbkhome.com/peardoc2/package.html.html-template-flexy.html
> >
> > Feel free to discuss your general thoughts on using it in GL2.
> >
> > --
> > Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> > tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
> >                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
> >                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
> >                     --Unknown
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Tue Apr  1 15:31:11 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:31:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Offline
In-Reply-To: <20030331220111.4878@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304011429010.19034-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Man, I miss Dirk.  One less person I can try to not talk to in IRC.

;-)

On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Dirk Haun wrote:

> In the unlikely event that anyone's missing me - I will be offline for
> the rest of the week, attending the ACCU Spring Conference in Oxford/
> England (<http://www.accuconference.co.uk/> in case someone's interested).
> 
> See ya next monday ...
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Sat Apr  5 16:48:22 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 15:48:22 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Release Candidate for MVC package
Message-ID: <3E8F4F26.5080406@tonybibbs.com>

OK folks, here you go.  This is the first release candidate for a 
package I have named MVCnPHP.

All you need on it is here:

http://project.geeklog.net/~tony/

Again, please give it an honest look.  Thanks!
-- 
+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 

+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+



From vmf at abtech.org  Mon Apr  7 16:30:29 2003
From: vmf at abtech.org (Vincent Furia)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:30:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Release Candidate for MVC package
In-Reply-To: <3E8F4F26.5080406@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96L.1030407161558.22151A-100000@QONOS.ABTECH.ORG>

Wow Tony.  I have to say thanks.  The MVC design pattern was a little
confused in my mind, but this helped to clear things up.  Guess all I
needed was to see the code. It looks great.  I have a few things to add,
but I think this is a cool idea for GL2 (G2?). 

1. In MVC_XMLParser.class.php:
Bug: _parser not defined in the MVC_XMLParser class, but it is used in
parseXML function

2. In Controller.class.php
Bug: require_once 'Constants.php' repeated twice

3. For the LoaderFactory classes
Possible Feature: in addition to XML and PHP Array...load from PEAR:DB?

4. In several locations:
Recommendation: Stronger type checking where applicable
Example: in the constructor function for the Controller class, defined as
Controller($configData, $configType = MVC_XML, $allowedFormMethod =
MVC_BOTH) the following line:
	$this->_configType = $configType;
	
perhaps should be changed to something like:
	if ($configType == MVC_ARRAY) {
	    $this->_configType = MVC_ARRAY;
	} else {
	    $this->_configType = MVC_XML;
	}

Now I have some questions about using the MVC...  

1. How will (could) this be used for plugins.  I was looking forward to
having a GeeklogPlugin class that all plugins inherit from (I forgot who
suggested this first).  Clearly it would also be a good idea for plugins
to use the MVC as well.  Have you given any thought to incorporating these
two ideas?  Is the answer obvious and I'm just slow on the ball today? 

2. I don't feel like digging through Phrame's code also, could you
describe the differences between your MVC code and theirs?

I think that is all.  I've to this point only begun really digging into
the code, but what I've seen so far gets me really excited for GL2's
potential.

-Vinny

On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Tony Bibbs wrote:

> OK folks, here you go.  This is the first release candidate for a 
> package I have named MVCnPHP.
> 
> All you need on it is here:
> 
> http://project.geeklog.net/~tony/
> 
> Again, please give it an honest look.  Thanks!
> -- 
> +-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
> |Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
> |tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
> |                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
> |                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 
> 
> +-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> 



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Apr  7 19:23:50 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:23:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Release Candidate for MVC package
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96L.1030407161558.22151A-100000@QONOS.ABTECH.ORG>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304071814440.3119-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Vincent Furia wrote:
> Wow Tony.  I have to say thanks.  The MVC design pattern was a little
> confused in my mind, but this helped to clear things up.  Guess all I
> needed was to see the code. It looks great.  I have a few things to add,
> but I think this is a cool idea for GL2 (G2?). 

Thanks! Also thanks for the bug reports, I'll check into them.

> Now I have some questions about using the MVC...  
> 
> 1. How will (could) this be used for plugins.  I was looking forward to
> having a GeeklogPlugin class that all plugins inherit from (I forgot who
> suggested this first).  Clearly it would also be a good idea for plugins
> to use the MVC as well.  Have you given any thought to incorporating these
> two ideas?  Is the answer obvious and I'm just slow on the ball today? 

Well, use by plugins would be optional as I do not see a good way to 
'force' plugins to use it.  Because all GL2 content will be based on the 
same module API, newbies will have a few prexisting examples of how to use 
the pattern in their new module.

> 
> 2. I don't feel like digging through Phrame's code also, could you
> describe the differences between your MVC code and theirs?

Well, they aim to be 100% Struts compatible.  I didn't care to adhere to 
that so when I found what I considered to be a few design flaws I moved on 
them.  Some example of design flaws:

1) No use of factory pattern so all actions and models were loaded into 
memory when only a small few would be required in order to process the 
current request.

2) Use of the PHP array configuration file was hard to read so I created 
an alternate XML config file that is easier on my eyes and could be 
eventually validated via a DTD.

3) Validation was put into the Phrame form object.  To me this breaks the 
OO concept of encapsulation.  This is illustrated in the case when you may 
have two very similar forms (i.e. GL's story admin and regular story 
submit) that could use one validation routine.  In Phrame you'd end up 
copying a bunch of the same code.  Of course this is how Struts does it so 
I'm not sure if I'm being a bit arrogant by assuming my method is better 
or not.

4) If you don't use PHP4 sessions in Phrame you can't use it.  While I 
have a few inconsequential references to the Session (mainly for passing 
error messages around) I will be updating my package to eliminate the need 
for it all together...of course all this despite GL2 is using a custom 
PHP4 session handler.

Again, thanks for the input.  Hopefully the light starts going off for 
those of you who actually try using it.

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From vmf at abtech.org  Tue Apr  8 09:49:19 2003
From: vmf at abtech.org (Vincent Furia)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:49:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Release Candidate for MVC package
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304071814440.3119-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96L.1030408094604.24861C-100000@QONOS.ABTECH.ORG>

Tony,

Another question about the MVC.  Is it possible to not allow a command
unless it is forwarded from somewhere else?  i.e.  only do a 'SaveContact'
if forwarded from a 'ValidateContact'.  How would enter this logic?

-Vinny



From dirk at haun-online.de  Tue Apr  8 11:44:47 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:44:47 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] commentheader.thtml
Message-ID: <20030408154447.19379@smtp.haun-online.de>

Hmm, can anyone remember what the commentheader.thtml file was supposed
to do? It doesn't seem to be used anywhere. It isn't included in Simon's
Clean and Gameserver themes either and I haven't heard any complaints
rearding its absence, so it's probably safe to remove it from CVS ...

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://geeklog.info/



From slord at marelina.com  Tue Apr  8 11:51:23 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:51:23 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] commentheader.thtml
In-Reply-To: <20030408154447.19379@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <F2F72CEB-69D9-11D7-9BF0-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

That might be part of one of Blaine's modules.  Not sure.  Blaine?

On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 11:44 AM, Dirk Haun wrote:

> Hmm, can anyone remember what the commentheader.thtml file was supposed
> to do? It doesn't seem to be used anywhere. It isn't included in 
> Simon's
> Clean and Gameserver themes either and I haven't heard any complaints
> rearding its absence, so it's probably safe to remove it from CVS ...
>
> bye, Dirk
>
>
> -- 
> http://www.haun-online.de/
> http://geeklog.info/
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
Sincerely,
Simon



From dirk at haun-online.de  Tue Apr  8 11:53:24 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:53:24 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] commentheader.thtml
In-Reply-To: <F2F72CEB-69D9-11D7-9BF0-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
References: <F2F72CEB-69D9-11D7-9BF0-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <20030408155324.31292@smtp.haun-online.de>

Simon Lord <slord at marelina.com> wrote:

>That might be part of one of Blaine's modules.  Not sure.  Blaine?

No, it's in CVS:

<http://cvs.geeklog.net/chora/cvs.php/geeklog-1.3/public_html/layout/
Classic/commentheader.thtml>

Checked in Nov 05, 2001 by some "tony_bibbs" ...

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://mypod.de/



From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Apr  9 11:55:15 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:55:15 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL2: issue tracking system
In-Reply-To: <DGECJMBDEPIDAOMELNHKCENDCCAA.chris_s_franklin@yahoo.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303111350471.9837-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409105451.00b69e60@localhost>

Chris,

Have you done any more work on this?

Dwight

At 01:22 AM 3/12/2003 -0800, Chris Franklin wrote:
>hey everyone.
>
>tony - great start on the requirements document for the GL2 issue tracking
>system.
>
>I'm not sure how documentation works with the geeklog team or what
>everyone's comfort level is but I'd like to introduce my thoughts.
>Feedback is welcome.
>I think documentation is the key foundation to a succesful system and a
>"winnable" project.
>When designing software systems, particularly web applications, I think
>there are 4 basic doc sets which are necessary:
>1) requirements document
>2) context diagram and use cases
>3) technical design document
>4) source code doc (phpdoc)
>
>I don't believe in writing large volumes of documentation. But a well
>designed system should have simple, concise, detailed documentation which
>allows people to understand each sub-system and the overall system in an
>intuitive way.
>
>Over the past few years, I've gone through various iterations of how best to
>document software systems and I keep coming back to use cases as the
>foundation. Use cases are easy for software developers to understand b/c
>they take a big problem and break it down into smaller problems or units of
>work.  The context diagram is a wonderful way to describe a system b/c it's
>just a 1-page visual diagram with a line down the middle. On the left are
>the actors and on the right are all the actions (use cases) that the users
>can take. Problem is diagrams require tools like visio or a uml tools - I
>think it's simpler to manage as just an html file.
>
>That all said, I've taken Tony's initial requirements document and added a
>section at the bottom which is similar to a context diagram:
>http://www.thefranklinweb.com/gl2/tracker_requirements.html
>
>If everyone is comfortable going the use case route, the next steps are:
>1) finish list of use cases - I came up with 17 but there are likely more
>2) delve into the details of each use case
>
>Once we have finished the requirements doc and corresponding use cases,
>technical design should begin - which would, of course, be the data model.
>
>Regards,
>-C
>"franchr"
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
>[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net]On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:57 AM
>To: Geeklog Developers
>Subject: [geeklog-devel] Dwight, meet chris
>
>
>Dwight,
>
>Instead of trying to hack a version of bugzilla or sf.net into GL2 I think
>we should just put together a real basic system for bug tracking.  I'll be
>putting together a shell requirements document and Chris will fill in the
>rest wtih you if that is OK.  It will need to have a web service interface
>to it but we should save that for last.  I will send a documetn out this
>week on it so you guys can get started with requirement and design.  I
>think you could get this up and down fairly quickly.  First major caveat
>is it will need to use GL2's A&A service so that the GL2 and bug trackign
>use same A&A components.  Not all of A&A is built but most is and for what
>isn't there I already have the API defined.
>
>Dwight, if you can join IRC sometime and introduce yourself, chris's
>handle is franchr
>
>--
>Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
>tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
>                     --Unknown
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Apr  9 11:57:09 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:57:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] commentheader.thtml
In-Reply-To: <20030408155324.31292@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304091056340.16458-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

I think it may have been the start of me trying to move the comment stuff 
into templates.  I'll have to take a close look here to be sure.

--Tony

On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Dirk Haun wrote:

> Simon Lord <slord at marelina.com> wrote:
> 
> >That might be part of one of Blaine's modules.  Not sure.  Blaine?
> 
> No, it's in CVS:
> 
> <http://cvs.geeklog.net/chora/cvs.php/geeklog-1.3/public_html/layout/
> Classic/commentheader.thtml>
> 
> Checked in Nov 05, 2001 by some "tony_bibbs" ...
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Apr  9 12:01:00 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:01:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Release Candidate for MVC package
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96L.1030408094604.24861C-100000@QONOS.ABTECH.ORG>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304091058090.16458-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Hrm, good question.  I think the answer is 'yes' you could but I'm not 
entirely sure how I'd do it off-hand.  It would require initial coding.

--Tony

 On 
Tue, 
8 Apr 2003, Vincent Furia wrote:

> Tony,
> 
> Another question about the MVC.  Is it possible to not allow a command
> unless it is forwarded from somewhere else?  i.e.  only do a 'SaveContact'
> if forwarded from a 'ValidateContact'.  How would enter this logic?
> 
> -Vinny
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From chris_s_franklin at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 12:12:49 2003
From: chris_s_franklin at yahoo.com (Chris Franklin)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:12:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL2: issue tracking system
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409105451.00b69e60@localhost>
Message-ID: <20030409161249.95473.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com>


I picked up a new contract which has taken all my time recently so I haven't been able to work on it.... however, there is a mature OSS php bug-tracking system available called Mantis... this has most of the functionality that tony wants....
-C
 Dwight Trumbower <dwight at trumbower.com> wrote:Chris,

Have you done any more work on this?

Dwight

At 01:22 AM 3/12/2003 -0800, Chris Franklin wrote:
>hey everyone.
>
>tony - great start on the requirements document for the GL2 issue tracking
>system.
>
>I'm not sure how documentation works with the geeklog team or what
>everyone's comfort level is but I'd like to introduce my thoughts.
>Feedback is welcome.
>I think documentation is the key foundation to a succesful system and a
>"winnable" project.
>When designing software systems, particularly web applications, I think
>there are 4 basic doc sets which are necessary:
>1) requirements document
>2) context diagram and use cases
>3) technical design document
>4) source code doc (phpdoc)
>
>I don't believe in writing large volumes of documentation. But a well
>designed system should have simple, concise, detailed documentation which
>allows people to understand each sub-system and the overall system in an
>intuitive way.
>
>Over the past few years, I've gone through various iterations of how best to
>document software systems and I keep coming back to use cases as the
>foundation. Use cases are easy for software developers to understand b/c
>they take a big problem and break it down into smaller problems or units of
>work. The context diagram is a wonderful way to describe a system b/c it's
>just a 1-page visual diagram with a line down the middle. On the left are
>the actors and on the right are all the actions (use cases) that the users
>can take. Problem is diagrams require tools like visio or a uml tools - I
>think it's simpler to manage as just an html file.
>
>That all said, I've taken Tony's initial requirements document and added a
>section at the bottom which is similar to a context diagram:
>http://www.thefranklinweb.com/gl2/tracker_requirements.html
>
>If everyone is comfortable going the use case route, the next steps are:
>1) finish list of use cases - I came up with 17 but there are likely more
>2) delve into the details of each use case
>
>Once we have finished the requirements doc and corresponding use cases,
>technical design should begin - which would, of course, be the data model.
>
>Regards,
>-C
>"franchr"
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
>[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net]On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:57 AM
>To: Geeklog Developers
>Subject: [geeklog-devel] Dwight, meet chris
>
>
>Dwight,
>
>Instead of trying to hack a version of bugzilla or sf.net into GL2 I think
>we should just put together a real basic system for bug tracking. I'll be
>putting together a shell requirements document and Chris will fill in the
>rest wtih you if that is OK. It will need to have a web service interface
>to it but we should save that for last. I will send a documetn out this
>week on it so you guys can get started with requirement and design. I
>think you could get this up and down fairly quickly. First major caveat
>is it will need to use GL2's A&A service so that the GL2 and bug trackign
>use same A&A components. Not all of A&A is built but most is and for what
>isn't there I already have the API defined.
>
>Dwight, if you can join IRC sometime and introduce yourself, chris's
>handle is franchr
>
>--
>Tony Bibbs "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
>tony at tonybibbs.com hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
> harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
> think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
> --Unknown
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

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From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Apr  9 12:31:43 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:31:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL2: issue tracking system
In-Reply-To: <20030409161249.95473.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304091131010.16458-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Did you get a feel for how hard/easy it would be to add the web service 
interfaces?

--Tony

On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Chris Franklin wrote:

> 
> I picked up a new contract which has taken all my time recently so I haven't been able to work on it.... however, there is a mature OSS php bug-tracking system available called Mantis... this has most of the functionality that tony wants....
> -C
>  Dwight Trumbower <dwight at trumbower.com> wrote:Chris,
> 
> Have you done any more work on this?
> 
> Dwight
> 
> At 01:22 AM 3/12/2003 -0800, Chris Franklin wrote:
> >hey everyone.
> >
> >tony - great start on the requirements document for the GL2 issue tracking
> >system.
> >
> >I'm not sure how documentation works with the geeklog team or what
> >everyone's comfort level is but I'd like to introduce my thoughts.
> >Feedback is welcome.
> >I think documentation is the key foundation to a succesful system and a
> >"winnable" project.
> >When designing software systems, particularly web applications, I think
> >there are 4 basic doc sets which are necessary:
> >1) requirements document
> >2) context diagram and use cases
> >3) technical design document
> >4) source code doc (phpdoc)
> >
> >I don't believe in writing large volumes of documentation. But a well
> >designed system should have simple, concise, detailed documentation which
> >allows people to understand each sub-system and the overall system in an
> >intuitive way.
> >
> >Over the past few years, I've gone through various iterations of how best to
> >document software systems and I keep coming back to use cases as the
> >foundation. Use cases are easy for software developers to understand b/c
> >they take a big problem and break it down into smaller problems or units of
> >work. The context diagram is a wonderful way to describe a system b/c it's
> >just a 1-page visual diagram with a line down the middle. On the left are
> >the actors and on the right are all the actions (use cases) that the users
> >can take. Problem is diagrams require tools like visio or a uml tools - I
> >think it's simpler to manage as just an html file.
> >
> >That all said, I've taken Tony's initial requirements document and added a
> >section at the bottom which is similar to a context diagram:
> >http://www.thefranklinweb.com/gl2/tracker_requirements.html
> >
> >If everyone is comfortable going the use case route, the next steps are:
> >1) finish list of use cases - I came up with 17 but there are likely more
> >2) delve into the details of each use case
> >
> >Once we have finished the requirements doc and corresponding use cases,
> >technical design should begin - which would, of course, be the data model.
> >
> >Regards,
> >-C
> >"franchr"
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> >[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net]On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:57 AM
> >To: Geeklog Developers
> >Subject: [geeklog-devel] Dwight, meet chris
> >
> >
> >Dwight,
> >
> >Instead of trying to hack a version of bugzilla or sf.net into GL2 I think
> >we should just put together a real basic system for bug tracking. I'll be
> >putting together a shell requirements document and Chris will fill in the
> >rest wtih you if that is OK. It will need to have a web service interface
> >to it but we should save that for last. I will send a documetn out this
> >week on it so you guys can get started with requirement and design. I
> >think you could get this up and down fairly quickly. First major caveat
> >is it will need to use GL2's A&A service so that the GL2 and bug trackign
> >use same A&A components. Not all of A&A is built but most is and for what
> >isn't there I already have the API defined.
> >
> >Dwight, if you can join IRC sometime and introduce yourself, chris's
> >handle is franchr
> >
> >--
> >Tony Bibbs "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> >tony at tonybibbs.com hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
> > harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
> > think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
> > --Unknown
> >
> >
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tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From dirk at haun-online.de  Wed Apr  9 18:14:19 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:14:19 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: Translation class (IRC)
Message-ID: <20030409221420.17372@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tony wrote on IRC:

> $translator = new Translator('en'); // where en is the default language

I think that class needs at least some knowledge about language codes. If I do

    $translator = new Translator('de-at');

(de-at = Austrian German) and there is no de-at translation, it should be
looking for 'de' first and only if that does not exist fall back to 'en'.

In the end, that language code will come from some user configurable
setting (the GL2 equivalent of config.php or the user's preferences), so
that's something the class itself should handle, not the code using the class.

bye, Dirk

P.S. Tony, the geeklog-devel digest postings to geeklog-devtalk are also
held back for approval now. Can you look into that, please?


-- 
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From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Apr  9 19:39:51 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:39:51 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: Translation class (IRC)
In-Reply-To: <20030409221420.17372@smtp.haun-online.de>
References: <20030409221420.17372@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <3E94AF47.4010406@tonybibbs.com>

Dirk Haun wrote:
>     $translator = new Translator('de-at');
> 
> (de-at = Austrian German) and there is no de-at translation, it should be
> looking for 'de' first and only if that does not exist fall back to 'en'.

I think how all this works will be much clearer once I get a beta 
release wrapped up.  However, your point above is great as I didn't 
understand the basic workings of stuff like this (hence the great series 
of checks-and-balances you and other non-us folks provide).

> In the end, that language code will come from some user configurable
> setting (the GL2 equivalent of config.php or the user's preferences), so
> that's something the class itself should handle, not the code using the class.

Incorrect, that setting is *not* user configurable.  To be clear:

$translator = new Translator('en');

This line tells the instanstiated translator that this application was 
developed with English strings.  That means that every call to 
$translator->translate('<some string>') requires the value for <some 
string> to be in english.

There is another method (I failed to post to IRC) which is setLanguage():

$translator->setLanguage('de-at');

This sets the user language (I will change the method name to be more 
descriptive.

Requiring both is important.  The translate() method will check to see 
if the *native* language in the code (english) matches that the user 
wants (de-at).  In that case they don't match which would cause some the 
de-at.xml file to be loaded to use for translations.  Now if you passed 
'en' to setLanguage(), the translator would notice this and instead of 
loading the en.xml file, it knows the strings passed to translate() are 
english so it would just return the passed string saving any file I/O.

The clear benefit is that the native language will yield the greatest 
performance benefits which is what you want.

The beta code will make this clearer.

--Tony

> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> P.S. Tony, the geeklog-devel digest postings to geeklog-devtalk are also
> held back for approval now. Can you look into that, please?
> 
> 


-- 
+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 

+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Apr  9 23:08:33 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:08:33 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: Translation class (IRC)
In-Reply-To: <20030409221420.17372@smtp.haun-online.de>
References: <20030409221420.17372@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <3E94E031.30307@tonybibbs.com>

Dirk, I just finished the code to get it in beta status. I'm going to 
bed now but first thing in the morning I have a few clean-up type of 
things I need to do and I'll email you the code.

Works pretty slick so far.  I just need to nail down the file stuff with 
you (e.g. if you specify en-gb and it doesn't exist you get en).  Want 
to make sure I have all the rules right to stay in good light with all 
my international buddies ;-)

--Tony

Dirk Haun wrote:
> Tony wrote on IRC:
> 
> 
>>$translator = new Translator('en'); // where en is the default language
> 
> 
> I think that class needs at least some knowledge about language codes. If I do
> 
>     $translator = new Translator('de-at');
> 
> (de-at = Austrian German) and there is no de-at translation, it should be
> looking for 'de' first and only if that does not exist fall back to 'en'.
> 
> In the end, that language code will come from some user configurable
> setting (the GL2 equivalent of config.php or the user's preferences), so
> that's something the class itself should handle, not the code using the class.
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> P.S. Tony, the geeklog-devel digest postings to geeklog-devtalk are also
> held back for approval now. Can you look into that, please?
> 
> 


-- 
+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 

+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+



From dirk at haun-online.de  Thu Apr 10 14:04:35 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:04:35 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] List of "draft" stories
Message-ID: <20030410180435.579@smtp.haun-online.de>

Stories which have the 'draft' flag set tend to get overlooked among the
(usually) quite huge number of published stories (Q: How many stories on
geeklog.net have the draft flag set?).

So I thought it would be nice to have a separate block on the submission
page (moderation.php) listing those. I tried writing a plugin for this,
but that's not really possible since Geeklog insists on copying the
"submissions" from one table to another - but a draft story is already in
the correct place/table.

So I hacked it into moderation.php instead (can be switched off, of course).

Does anyone think this would be a worthwhile addition to Geeklog or
should I publish it as a hack instead?

bye, Dirk


-- 
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http://www.haun.info/



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Apr 11 13:55:31 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:55:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] List of "draft" stories
In-Reply-To: <20030410180435.579@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111252550.31783-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Put it into the core codebase. 

This brings up an interesting question.  I know some CMS's that target 
'real' online magazines have to be approved by an editor once submitted by 
the author.  There is also the ability to re-publish articles without 
losing historical data (e.g. the original date posted) and then there are 
tings like retractions.

This is thinking way ahead of where GL2 is but do we want to support some 
of these notions?  Are there other notions out there I'm missing?

--Tony

 On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Dirk Haun wrote:

> Stories which have the 'draft' flag set tend to get overlooked among the
> (usually) quite huge number of published stories (Q: How many stories on
> geeklog.net have the draft flag set?).
> 
> So I thought it would be nice to have a separate block on the submission
> page (moderation.php) listing those. I tried writing a plugin for this,
> but that's not really possible since Geeklog insists on copying the
> "submissions" from one table to another - but a draft story is already in
> the correct place/table.
> 
> So I hacked it into moderation.php instead (can be switched off, of course).
> 
> Does anyone think this would be a worthwhile addition to Geeklog or
> should I publish it as a hack instead?
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Apr 11 16:59:42 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:59:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Translations
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111552110.31783-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

WIth help from Dirk I have a near complete translation library.  Here are 
features:

1) No need to maintain a language file in default language.  So, assuming 
English for Geeklog 2, we will not need to maintain a language file.  This 
is because when writing your code you will now have this way of 
translating:
$translator->translate('some english string');
Since english will be the default, the translate() method will be smart 
enough to simply return what it was given requireing no file I/O

2) After writing code, developers (includign module developers) can run a 
script called getstrings which will parse all PHP code files and take all 
strings in calls to translate() and create an en.xml file.  This XML file 
is then emailed to translators via the geeklog-translations mailing list.
Translators then add their translations and send back to developers.

3) When updates occur, a second script called mergeversions aids 
translators by taking any valid string in their old translated file and 
adds them to the new translation file.  From there the translators only 
add new entries saving considerably on time (thanks to Dirk for the idea)

Questions, comments?

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From mlimburg at iprimus.com.au  Fri Apr 11 22:07:43 2003
From: mlimburg at iprimus.com.au (Mark Limburg)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:37:43 +0930
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Translations
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111552110.31783-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111552110.31783-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <3E9774EF.7090107@iprimus.com.au>

Howdy,

> 1) No need to maintain a language file in default language.  So, assuming 
> English for Geeklog 2, we will not need to maintain a language file.  This 
> is because when writing your code you will now have this way of 
> translating: $translator->translate('some english string');

> Since english will be the default, the translate() method will be smart 
> enough to simply return what it was given requireing no file I/O

Have a question ... Let's use an english and german example.  On one 
mapge, I use the English word 'key' as a title in a table to represent 
key index fields.  On another table, I use the English word 'key' to 
define the passphrase sent via email.  Now, in German, these references 
of 'Key' are very different due to context.

Another good example. In Chinese, there is no "ed", "ing" words and no 
"ies" words.  "Gallery" and "Galleries" are same words in Chinese.  So 
in Chinese, they add other words (add-on words) to separate them, to 
give them context.

Is there a way to build in context into the translator?  So, you could 
possibly send:

   $translator->translate('word','context');

This may not be well thought out, and I welcome any feedback on this, 
but I'm trying to do is define the problems *humans* have in translating 
between languages, and see if we can bring a *human* solution into our 
universal translater (which should be called babelfish IMHO <grin />).

Regards,

MWL

-- 
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-- 
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From slord at marelina.com  Sun Apr 13 05:12:29 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:12:29 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] xwin.org
Message-ID: <0D3D7C75-6D90-11D7-BA23-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Hey all, check this out.  The XFree86 project was officially forked 
this week and they have a new site.

http://xwin.org/index.php

It uses Geeklog.

Sincerely,
Simon



From dirk at haun-online.de  Sun Apr 13 09:12:14 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:12:14 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] List of "draft" stories
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111252550.31783-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304111252550.31783-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030413131214.2985@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:

>This is thinking way ahead of where GL2 is but do we want to support some 
>of these notions?  Are there other notions out there I'm missing?

Well, when I submitted Geeklog to the CMS list of the German PHP-Magazin,
I had to leave quite a few fields blank ...

This Google translation should give you a rough idea (first column):

<http://translate.google.com/translat
e?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phpmag.de%2Fcms%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ISO-
8859-1&prev=%2Flanguage_tools>

Things like storing meta information, to-do lists for admins, exporting
content to different formats, etc. sound like good ideas to me.


>I know some CMS's that target 
>'real' online magazines have to be approved by an editor once submitted by 
>the author.

This is one example of a more complex workflow that some CMS support,
yes. You could do something like this in 1.3.x now (using the draft flag
and permissions), but it's not very transparent. GL2 should support this,
IMO. We may need support for more than one submission queues to
accomplish this (or more state flags than just "draft").

bye, Dirk


-- 
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From dirk at haun-online.de  Sun Apr 13 09:22:09 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:22:09 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] xwin.org
In-Reply-To: <0D3D7C75-6D90-11D7-BA23-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
References: <0D3D7C75-6D90-11D7-BA23-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <20030413132209.653@smtp.haun-online.de>

Simon Lord <slord at marelina.com> wrote:

>Hey all, check this out.  The XFree86 project was officially forked 
>this week and they have a new site.
>
>http://xwin.org/index.php
>
>It uses Geeklog.

It seems the site even survived the slashdotting caused by 
<http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/13/0253224>

bye, Dirk


-- 
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http://geeklog.info/



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Tue Apr 15 14:55:18 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:55:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Flexy
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304151354120.1239-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Jason,

Any word back from the author of flexy on XHTML compliance?

--Tony

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Tue Apr 15 21:14:08 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:14:08 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Flexy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304151354120.1239-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030416011614.PUXE12205.imf23bis.bellsouth.net@thor>

This is the reply I received today.  See Below...

-Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Knowles [mailto:alan at akbkhome.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 8:51 PM
To: me at jasonwhittenburg.com
Importance: High

Yeah, its one of the issues I know about and will fix :)

the ucasing of all the attributes/tags was done to try and simplify the
code, but when I was working with XML generation i discovered that xml was
case sensitive :) and barfed on stuff output.

I'll see if I get time today to look at it.

Regards
Alan 


-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:55 PM
To: Geeklog Mailing List

Jason,

Any word back from the author of flexy on XHTML compliance?

--Tony

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


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From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Wed Apr 16 09:42:17 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:42:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] [Fwd: Re: HTML_Template_Flexy and XHTML]
Message-ID: <1489.209.134.163.92.1050500537.squirrel@vault.7south.com>

IA, you want to check it out, I'll look at it tonight as well...

-Jason

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: HTML_Template_Flexy and XHTML
From: Alan Knowles <alan at akbkhome.com>
Date: Wed, April 16, 2003 3:58 am
To: me at jasonwhittenburg.com

Ok, I've commited the code to cvs to stop it munging case - Quick tests
here appear to work ok.

Regards
Alan

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From slord at marelina.com  Wed Apr 16 12:25:21 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:25:21 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Visitor Stats
Message-ID: <053E167B-7028-11D7-A1D2-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Hi all, I'd just like to ask if anyone has had any issues with this 
block.  Does it work well, and if so, is it a cpu hog or not.

Thanks.

Sincerely,
Simon



From dirk at haun-online.de  Fri Apr 18 14:42:26 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:42:26 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Nightly CVS tarball?
Message-ID: <20030418184226.4269@smtp.haun-online.de>

Someone asked for a nightly CVS tarball (for Geeklog 1.3.x) and I thought
"Hey, that's easy - I'll just write a script that does an anonymous
checkout and creates a tarball from that". But no, it's not that easy:

dhaun> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at geeklog.net:/usr/cvs/geeklog login
Logging in to :pserver:anonymous at geeklog.net:2401/usr/cvs/geeklog
CVS password: 
cvs [login aborted]: connect to geeklog.net(209.234.80.120):2401 failed:
Connection refused

That's two problems, actually. The "Connection refused", obviously, and
the fact that it asks for a password ...

Any ideas, anyone?

bye, Dirk


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From tomw at pigstye.net  Fri Apr 18 15:43:26 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:43:26 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Nightly CVS tarball?
In-Reply-To: <20030418184226.4269@smtp.haun-online.de>
References: <20030418184226.4269@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <20030418191109.M99583@pigstye.net>

On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:42:26 +0200, Dirk Haun wrote
> Someone asked for a nightly CVS tarball (for Geeklog 1.3.x) and I thought
> "Hey, that's easy - I'll just write a script that does an anonymous
> checkout and creates a tarball from that". But no, it's not that easy:
> 
> dhaun> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at geeklog.net:/usr/cvs/geeklog login
> Logging in to :pserver:anonymous at geeklog.net:2401/usr/cvs/geeklog
> CVS password: 
> cvs [login aborted]: connect to geeklog.net(209.234.80.120):2401 failed:
> Connection refused
> 
> That's two problems, actually. The "Connection refused", obviously, and
> the fact that it asks for a password ...
> 
> Any ideas, anyone?
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> -- 
> http://www.haun-online.de/
> http://www.tinyweb.de/
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
Dirk,

How about 

echo geeklog > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at geeklog.net:/usr/cvs/geeklog login

works for me.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From dirk at haun-online.de  Fri Apr 18 15:53:28 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:53:28 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Nightly CVS tarball?
In-Reply-To: <20030418191109.M99583@pigstye.net>
References: <20030418191109.M99583@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <20030418195328.4208@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:

>echo geeklog > cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at geeklog.net:/usr/cvs/geeklog login
>
>works for me.

Thanks - that should take care of the password.

So why does anonymous CVS not work when I'm logged in on geeklog.net? I
have something on the back of my mind about that you can not have a
client and the CVS server on the same machine (which is what we have
here) ... Tony?

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.macosx-faq.de/



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Tue Apr 22 11:58:06 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:58:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Spelling interfaces
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304221057120.21635-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Anybody have a web-based app that implements a good spell check interface?  
I looked at Squirrel Mail and I'm not terribly impressed with that 
interface.

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From langmail at sympatico.ca  Tue Apr 22 12:07:57 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:07:57 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Spelling interfaces
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304221057120.21635-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <002b01c308e9$57223e50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

I currently use ispell http://www.iespell.com/ but thats not what your
asking - and only works for IE. But works well ;)
I have looked previously for a Opensource library and saw a few but they all
seamed to be incomplete or very early projects.

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: "Geeklog Developers" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:58 AM
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Spelling interfaces


> Anybody have a web-based app that implements a good spell check interface?
> I looked at Squirrel Mail and I'm not terribly impressed with that
> interface.
>
> --
> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
>                     --Unknown
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From dwight at trumbower.com  Tue Apr 22 12:34:17 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:34:17 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] What's Up with geeklog.net?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030422113335.00b63038@mail.tsystemscorp.com>

I get Prospects squash instead.

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From tomw at pigstye.net  Tue Apr 22 13:03:05 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:03:05 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Spelling interfaces
In-Reply-To: <002b01c308e9$57223e50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304221057120.21635-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> <002b01c308e9$57223e50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <20030422165336.M77353@pigstye.net>

I use a perl based webmail client (Openwebmail) that has a very good 
implementation of the linux spelling programs ispell, aspell or cocoaspell.  
It is based on WBOSS which can be found at 

http://www.dontpokebadgers.com/spellchecker/

I do not see why it could not be rewritten in perl.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tomw at pigstye.net  Tue Apr 22 13:04:07 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:04:07 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] What's Up with geeklog.net?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030422113335.00b63038@mail.tsystemscorp.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030422113335.00b63038@mail.tsystemscorp.com>
Message-ID: <20030422170323.M40904@pigstye.net>

On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:34:17 -0500, Dwight Trumbower wrote
> I get Prospects squash instead.
> 
> Dwight
> dwight at trumbower.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

I did also but on a refresh got the regular geeklog.net.  Someone trying to 
hijak the web page?

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From vmf at abtech.org  Tue Apr 22 14:26:02 2003
From: vmf at abtech.org (Vincent Furia)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:26:02 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] What's Up with geeklog.net?
In-Reply-To: <20030422170323.M40904@pigstye.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030422113335.00b63038@mail.tsystemscorp.com> <20030422170323.M40904@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <3EA5893A.4020908@abtech.org>

I'm getting this also, it seems the squash site comes and goes.  Who 
ever runs/owns the DNS for geeklog.net should probably jump on this...

-Vinny

P.S.  I'm seeing this from three very seperate (geographically, and 
fairly seperate by # router hops) sites.

Tom Willett wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:34:17 -0500, Dwight Trumbower wrote
> 
>>I get Prospects squash instead.
>>
>>Dwight
>>dwight at trumbower.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>geeklog-devel mailing list
>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> 
> I did also but on a refresh got the regular geeklog.net.  Someone trying to 
> hijak the web page?
> 
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Tue Apr 22 14:52:27 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:52:27 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] What's Up with geeklog.net?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030422113335.00b63038@mail.tsystemscorp.com> <20030422170323.M40904@pigstye.net> <3EA5893A.4020908@abtech.org>
Message-ID: <04ea01c30900$5216ecf0$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

I see it's back - was it the service provider messing with the DNS?

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Furia" <vmf at abtech.org>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] What's Up with geeklog.net?


> I'm getting this also, it seems the squash site comes and goes.  Who
> ever runs/owns the DNS for geeklog.net should probably jump on this...
>
> -Vinny
>
> P.S.  I'm seeing this from three very seperate (geographically, and
> fairly seperate by # router hops) sites.
>
> Tom Willett wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:34:17 -0500, Dwight Trumbower wrote
> >
> >>I get Prospects squash instead.
> >>
> >>Dwight
> >>dwight at trumbower.com
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>geeklog-devel mailing list
> >>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >
> > I did also but on a refresh got the regular geeklog.net.  Someone trying
to
> > hijak the web page?
> >
> > --
> > Tom Willett
> > tomw at pigstye.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>



From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Tue Apr 22 19:50:19 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:50:19 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Spelling interfaces
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304221057120.21635-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030422235228.BXDI11274.imf62bis.bellsouth.net@thor>

I think what you're asking is a good interface, not ispell, aspell, etc...

I would think the best would be a Java script based one like squirrelmail,
but just a bit faster and laid out better...

And no, I don't know of any but I'll look...

-Jason 


-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:58 AM
To: Geeklog Developers

Anybody have a web-based app that implements a good spell check interface?  
I looked at Squirrel Mail and I'm not terribly impressed with that
interface.

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


_______________________________________________
geeklog-devel mailing list
geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Tue Apr 22 22:35:41 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:35:41 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] [Fwd: Re: [M3C6G7K] Major DNS problems]
Message-ID: <3EA5FBFD.8080706@tonybibbs.com>


-- 
+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 

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From dirk at haun-online.de  Thu Apr 24 06:20:20 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:20:20 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Nightly CVS tarball?
In-Reply-To: <20030418195328.4208@smtp.haun-online.de>
References: <20030418195328.4208@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <20030424102020.31092@smtp.haun-online.de>

I've set up a cronjob that creates a nightly CVS tarball for Geeklog 1.3.x at

    http://www.geeklog.net/nightly/geeklog-cvs-nightly.tar.gz

Seems to work, but I'd like to give it another day (or night, rather) or
two before it can be announced officially.

It seems that anything running on www.geeklog.net does not know about any
other geeklog.net subdomain. E.g. cvs.geeklog.net does not resolve,
scripts can't send mail to lists.geeklog.net, etc. The cronjob uses the
IP address for now ...

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.tinyweb.de/



From slord at marelina.com  Tue Apr 29 14:49:36 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:49:36 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] SEARCH
Message-ID: <52DFC3F3-7A73-11D7-93EE-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Whatever happened to the new and improved search engine Tony was 
working on for the current release of GL?

Sincerely,
Simon



From dirk at haun-online.de  Tue Apr 29 14:53:39 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:53:39 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] SEARCH
In-Reply-To: <52DFC3F3-7A73-11D7-93EE-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
References: <52DFC3F3-7A73-11D7-93EE-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <20030429185339.15748@smtp.haun-online.de>

Simon Lord <slord at marelina.com> wrote:

>Whatever happened to the new and improved search engine Tony was 
>working on for the current release of GL?

I guess that question should actually read "Whatever happened to Tony?".
Anyone seen him recently?

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.haun.info/



From dwight at trumbower.com  Tue Apr 29 14:55:55 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:55:55 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] SEARCH
In-Reply-To: <52DFC3F3-7A73-11D7-93EE-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429135445.00bc9380@localhost>

At 02:49 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Whatever happened to the new and improved search engine Tony was working 
>on for the current release of GL?
>
>Sincerely,
>Simon


Don't know but I know Rob Griffith is going to have someone create a new 
search routine for his site and said he would pass it along.

Dwight



From robg at macosxhints.com  Tue Apr 29 14:57:45 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:57:45 -0700
Subject: [geeklog-devel] SEARCH
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429135445.00bc9380@localhost>
Message-ID: <007d01c30e81$39432e60$1901a8c0@griffpc>

Yep, hopefully in the next 10 to 14 days ... I'll keep the list
informed.

-rob.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net 
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of 
> Dwight Trumbower
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:56 AM
> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SEARCH
> 
> 
> At 02:49 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Whatever happened to the new and improved search engine Tony was 
> >working
> >on for the current release of GL?
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Simon
> 
> 
> Don't know but I know Rob Griffith is going to have someone 
> create a new 
> search routine for his site and said he would pass it along.
> 
> Dwight
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net 
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-> devel
>