From dwight at trumbower.com  Tue Jul  1 00:03:20 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:03:20 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Decent article on xml and cms
Message-ID: <6.0.0.9.0.20030630230249.01b8a8c0@mail.tsystemscorp.com>

http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_xmlandcms/index.html

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com 



From dirk at haun-online.de  Tue Jul  1 04:11:15 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:11:15 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] 1.3.8 and onwards
In-Reply-To: <001b01c33f76$936ed170$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <001b01c33f76$936ed170$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <20030701081115.19686@smtp.haun-online.de>

Blaine Lang <geeklog at langfamily.ca> wrote:

>Well,  I have some more enhancements that I'd like to see in 1.3.8 and still
>am holding out that they can make it into the final release ;)

Please hold them back a little longer. As in "until 1.3.9", actually.

Guys, I really want to do it "right" this time. We have a Release
Candidate out, i.e. something that we consider a finished product. It
only needs a little testing, bug fixes, documentation updates, and, of
course, updated language files.

Development of 1.3.8 has taken long enough already. If you look back,
1.3.7 came out in *December*. So if all goes well, there will be seven
month between the final 1.3.7 and 1.3.8 releases. That, obviously, is too
long a release cycle.

I'd like to get 1.3.8 out now, as it is, and as stable as possible. We
can then immediately jump into 1.3.9 development, adding all those nice
features you already have. That would be a good start for a switch to
shorter release cycles, actually.


>So far, this RC is looking good.

Exactly. And I'd like it to stay that way.

We already received the first updated translations, people have started
updating their themes, etc. So any further changes we introduce now, will
only cause confusion - and I'd like to avoid that.

I'm planning on doing some bugfixes today and tomorrow. And if you really
can't hold back any longer, we could always branch CVS and have a
"stable" branch, aiming at the 1.3.8 release (bugfixes only), and the
main branch, aiming at 1.3.9. Of course, that would mean that any fixes
would have to be applied to both branches, so I would only go that route
if you feel it's absolutely necessary.

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://geeklog.info/



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Jul  2 11:27:48 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:27:48 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] [Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details]
Message-ID: <3F02F9F4.6010800@tonybibbs.com>

Testing again

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From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:30:20 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] [Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details]
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Will this one work?

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From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Jul  3 09:53:04 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:53:04 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: [geeklog-devtalk] Geeklog not supporting GD-Lib ?
In-Reply-To: <011401c34168$163fa5a0$1402a8c0@Pandarve>
References: <011401c34168$163fa5a0$1402a8c0@Pandarve>
Message-ID: <3F043540.7080809@tonybibbs.com>

Does GD run on windows?  If not, that would be your first reason (as far 
as I can tell, it does not support windows).  Geeklog works hard to 
support windows platforms and is hard to justify implementing something 
for use by just a few users.  That said, we *would* include such code if 
it were contributed by a third party (e.g. you).  I would challenge you 
to work this support in which, if you know PHP, should only take a few 
hours to get it working and tested.  You have my word on that.

BTW, a comparison to *nuke isn't the type of carrot we chase ;-)

--Tony

geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I just figured out that as of PHP relase V4.3x the GD-Lib graphics library
>is included as standard lib.
>Now I wonder why Geeklog does only support ImageMagic and Netpbm?
>As I'm using some cheap hosting account I cannot install the missing
>ImageMagic of Netpbm on the ISP's server.
>However as they're (and I presume most other ISP's as weel) are running PHP
>V4.3.x they do have GD-Lib as graphics lib.
>So why not make Geeklog use GD-Lib?
>best would be to make Geeklog automagically use GD-Lib if the server is
>running PHP 4.3.x + .. just like PHP-nuke does! :-)
>
>Greetings,
>
>Rob
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devtalk mailing list
>geeklog-devtalk at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devtalk
>  
>



From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Thu Jul  3 14:29:35 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:29:35 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: [geeklog-devtalk] Geeklog not supporting GD-Lib ?
References: <011401c34168$163fa5a0$1402a8c0@Pandarve> <3F043540.7080809@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c34191$2b15d3e0$0501a8c0@atlas>

GD works on windows, there is a bundled DLL.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: <geeklog-devtalk at lists.geeklog.net>; "Geeklog Development"
<geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:53 AM
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: [geeklog-devtalk] Geeklog not supporting GD-Lib
?


> Does GD run on windows?  If not, that would be your first reason (as far
> as I can tell, it does not support windows).  Geeklog works hard to
> support windows platforms and is hard to justify implementing something
> for use by just a few users.  That said, we *would* include such code if
> it were contributed by a third party (e.g. you).  I would challenge you
> to work this support in which, if you know PHP, should only take a few
> hours to get it working and tested.  You have my word on that.
>
> BTW, a comparison to *nuke isn't the type of carrot we chase ;-)
>
> --Tony
>
> geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I just figured out that as of PHP relase V4.3x the GD-Lib graphics
library
> >is included as standard lib.
> >Now I wonder why Geeklog does only support ImageMagic and Netpbm?
> >As I'm using some cheap hosting account I cannot install the missing
> >ImageMagic of Netpbm on the ISP's server.
> >However as they're (and I presume most other ISP's as weel) are running
PHP
> >V4.3.x they do have GD-Lib as graphics lib.
> >So why not make Geeklog use GD-Lib?
> >best would be to make Geeklog automagically use GD-Lib if the server is
> >running PHP 4.3.x + .. just like PHP-nuke does! :-)
> >
> >Greetings,
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >geeklog-devtalk mailing list
> >geeklog-devtalk at lists.geeklog.net
> >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devtalk
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Jul  9 14:08:43 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:08:43 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: Geeklog 2 Developer
In-Reply-To: <200307090314.h693EgV21346@internal.geeklog.net>
References: <200307090314.h693EgV21346@internal.geeklog.net>
Message-ID: <3F0C5A2B.9010109@tonybibbs.com>

Hi Marc,

Sounds good.  I'm sure your credentials are fine.   For starters, create 
an account on http://project.geeklog.net.  Email me your username.  Well 
start by giving you some fairly basic tasks to get you up to speed.  
Right now I am working on converting the GL2 authentication & 
authorization (A&A) service to use the latest PHP5 beta.  I would 
encourage you to get PHP5 installed.  You'll want to ensure you compile 
PHP --with-mysql --with-pgsql --with-zlib (for installing PEAR packages) 
and --with-xmlrpc (we be offering an optional xmlrpc interface to A&A).

I'll probably start by having you convert the translation class over to 
use PHP5.  When you get PHP5 installed and setup, join us in our IRC 
room in #geeklog on irc.freenode.net.  That's where most of the 
developers hang out.

--Tony

Marc Gugliuzza wrote:

>I've used Geeklog 1.3.7 pretty extensively, and I really like it.  I've got a pretty good amount of experience with php, I'm only 17 and I've never received 'proper' traning but I'm somewhat competent of object oriented coding.  I'm sorry to say I don't really have any experience with PEAR, but I can adhere to basic coding standards like good comments and indenting and whatnot.    Lemme know if there's anything I can do to help the development of Geeklog 2, this is my summer so I can donate a few hours per week at least.    I do have experience with cvs, so I imagine I could probably get started coding pretty soon.    Thanks,  Marc
>  
>



From slord at marelina.com  Thu Jul 10 02:20:10 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon lord)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:20:10 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog Review
Message-ID: <8F24A938-B29E-11D7-BE44-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Hot off the presses:

http://www.macworld.com/2003/07/features/putweblogstowork/

Sincerely,
Simon



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Jul 10 18:31:07 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:31:07 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] test
Message-ID: <3F0DE92B.7040408@tonybibbs.com>

test



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Jul 10 18:32:48 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:32:48 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] test
Message-ID: <3F0DE990.4040006@tonybibbs.com>

test



From dirk at haun-online.de  Sun Jul 13 13:28:34 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:28:34 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] IRC / freenode.net
Message-ID: <20030713172834.3191@smtp.haun-online.de>

In case anyone's having problems getting on IRC, try irc.freenet.ORG
instead of .net - apparently, there's a DNS problem with the .net domain.

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.haun.info/



From dwight at trumbower.com  Fri Jul 18 01:50:14 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:50:14 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] ACL
Message-ID: <6.0.0.9.0.20030718004729.01bb30b8@mail.tsystemscorp.com>

Tony and Vinny did some reviewing of all the past discussions on ACL and AA 
tonight. Have a few more questions for you in IRC on Friday before I make 
any changes.

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com 



From dirk at haun-online.de  Fri Jul 18 07:45:16 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:45:16 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog 1.3.9
Message-ID: <20030718114516.1430@smtp.haun-online.de>

Now that 1.3.8 is out, it's time to make plans for 1.3.9 :-)

Here's a short list of things I have compiled over the last few weeks:

- Vincent's new comment code. Still haven't looked at it, but knowing
Vinny, I just assume it works ;-)

- Review our handling of email. A complex topic, I'll write an extra post
for this ...

- Some user contributions I'd like to look into:
  + image scaling using GD lib
  + an extension of the plugin API for the What's New block
    (i.e. plugins can add their own What's New items)
  + allowing story submissions with separate intro/body text
  + confirmation on critical actions (e.g. deleting a topic)

- There seems to be a need for some sort of "read-only topics", i.e.
topics that users can read but not post to. Haven't looked into this at
all yet - it may be easy, it may be not ...

- Blaine also has some things already working. The only one I can
remember right now is a scrollable list of authors (for the preferences,
where you can select which authors you don't want to see).

This is just a list to get a brain storming going. No promises for
anything (although I'd give the first two, comments and email, a high
priority).

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://mypod.de/



From dirk at haun-online.de  Fri Jul 18 07:45:57 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:45:57 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Emailing from Geeklog
Message-ID: <20030718114558.23084@smtp.haun-online.de>

You may (or may not) have seen an increase in reports where people are
having problems sending emails from Geeklog. Even if you eliminate those
that are simple setup problems, there seems to be an increasing trend for
ISPs to restrict or even disable sending of emails from PHP scripts.

Now, obviously it's not good when people can't get their registration email.

Looking at the code, you'll notice that currently Geeklog is using mail()
in several locations all over the code. Things like headers and
formatting of email adresses are also slightly different in all those
places, which has already led to situations where (on certain setups)
some of these functions worked and others did not.

So, the first thing would be to introduce a new function, say,
COM_mail(), that handles ALL the mail sent from Geeklog. Next, there
should be a way to override this function so that you can have your own
implementation in lib-custom.php (if need be) without having to hack the
core code.

Also, there should be a way to switch off all the email-related functions
in Geeklog and still have a fully working site. Obviously, that would
mean that we need a way for users to register with a site without having
to receive an email (which, of course, has a slightly higher risk of
being misused as if someone's identity is "confirmed" through an email).

Yet another issue involved here is that I was informed that the current
way we're sending email from Geeklog is causing problems for our users in
Japan. Yusuke Sakata, who also provides the Japanese translation, has a
patch on his website that I need to look at. We will probably want to
either include it or at least make it easier through the above-mentioned
method of letting a custom function override COM_mail().

Comments?

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://geeklog.info/



From dirk at haun-online.de  Sun Jul 20 06:46:28 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:46:28 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Oh, great ...
Message-ID: <20030720104628.10571@smtp.haun-online.de>

>From the shit-happens departement: Looks like the webserver for
project.geeklog.net, cvs.geeklog.net, iowaoutdoors.org, and tonybibbs.com
is down - and Tony's out of town until the 28th ...

CVS works, as do the mailing lists (obviously, or you wouldn't be able to
read this), and <http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo>, which is hosted on
another server.

Anynone have root access to the machine in question and/or knows of a way
to contact Tony?

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://geeklog.info/



From dwight at trumbower.com  Sun Jul 20 13:28:10 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:28:10 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Oh, great ...
In-Reply-To: <20030720104628.10571@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.9.0.20030720122201.01b9e848@localhost>

Everybody at once now and use telepathy...... think fish.



At 05:46 AM 7/20/2003, you wrote:
> >From the shit-happens departement: Looks like the webserver for
>project.geeklog.net, cvs.geeklog.net, iowaoutdoors.org, and tonybibbs.com
>is down - and Tony's out of town until the 28th ...
>
>CVS works, as do the mailing lists (obviously, or you wouldn't be able to
>read this), and <http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo>, which is hosted on
>another server.
>
>Anynone have root access to the machine in question and/or knows of a way
>to contact Tony?
>
>bye, Dirk
>
>
>--
>http://www.haun-online.de/
>http://geeklog.info/
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From mark.limburg at baesystems.com  Fri Jul 25 04:09:51 2003
From: mark.limburg at baesystems.com (LIMBURG, Mark)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:39:51 +0930
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pushing GL1 into regester_globals=off
Message-ID: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45502C8EE09@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>

Howdy

I'm thinking of taking this on.  Are there any *good* doco's on how to
approach this?  Any key examples that anyone could provide?

Regards

Mark Limburg

Operations Support Team Leader
Information Services
BAE SYSTEMS Australia




From mark.limburg at baesystems.com  Fri Jul 25 04:08:47 2003
From: mark.limburg at baesystems.com (LIMBURG, Mark)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:38:47 +0930
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Customising 1.3.8
Message-ID: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45502C8EE08@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>

Howdy

I'm currently altering 1.3.8 to make it a little more friendly and secure
for subdir installations.  In essence, what I'm doing is:

 * moving public_html into the root directory of the GL install
 * moving all other directories (logs, backup, plugins, etc) under system
 * moving 95% of config.php to system/system.php
 * moving (and slightly) lib-common.php to system directory
 * retaining minimum 5% (ie the required info) in config.php
 * altering all public_html (and admin) to look only to config.php
 * adding two require_once statements to config.php to load
system/system.php and system/lib-common.php 
 * adding a .htaccess file to keep the system directory safe
 * updating all code to adjust to changes

The only thing is, documenting this all is a pain in the butt, as it's
pretty much a 'do what I think is right' and then run through it fixing the
errors as I find them.  So far, it's looking pretty good.

Regards

Mark Limburg

Operations Support Team Leader
Information Services
BAE SYSTEMS Australia




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Jul 28 14:31:14 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:31:14 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pushing GL1 into regester_globals=off
In-Reply-To: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45502C8EE09@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>
References: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45502C8EE09@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>
Message-ID: <3F256BF2.20300@tonybibbs.com>

Well, it's not that easy...well, it is technically easy but it will be a 
lot of work.  For each page you need to figure out which variables are 
registered as globals in the current 1.3.x tree.  Then you need to 
replace them with the $HTTP_POST_VARS or $HTTP_GET_VARS.

We could, as a group, decide to require which ever version of PHP that 
started usin the $_REQUEST object.  The good thing about that is then 
regardless of a POST or a GET you can use the $_REQUEST['<varname>'].  
If we don't want to do that, we *could* simply either ask for the PHP 
version in config.php or check it through the code and if they don't 
support $_REQUEST, then you could add the the top of lib-common.php 
somewhere this:

$_REQUEST = array_merge($HTTP_POST_VARS, $HTTP_GET_VARS);

That way the code regardless of PHP version would be the same.

Make sense?  Comments, questions, concerns?  How much fun would 
regression testing this be?

--Tony

LIMBURG, Mark wrote:

>Howdy
>
>I'm thinking of taking this on.  Are there any *good* doco's on how to
>approach this?  Any key examples that anyone could provide?
>
>Regards
>
>Mark Limburg
>
>Operations Support Team Leader
>Information Services
>BAE SYSTEMS Australia
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>  
>



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Mon Jul 28 14:37:25 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:37:25 -0400
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pushing GL1 into regester_globals=off
References: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45502C8EE09@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com> <3F256BF2.20300@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c35537$4ad28a20$b50aa8c0@BL2>

We could also add something like this at the top of each program or  in to
COM_siteHeader

// register_globals cheat code
//HTTP_GET_VARS
while (list($key, $val) = @each($HTTP_GET_VARS)) {
       $GLOBALS[$key] = $val;
}
//HTTP_POST_VARS
while (list($key, $val) = @each($HTTP_POST_VARS)) {
       $GLOBALS[$key] = $val;
}
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Pushing GL1 into regester_globals=off


> Well, it's not that easy...well, it is technically easy but it will be a
> lot of work.  For each page you need to figure out which variables are
> registered as globals in the current 1.3.x tree.  Then you need to
> replace them with the $HTTP_POST_VARS or $HTTP_GET_VARS.
>
> We could, as a group, decide to require which ever version of PHP that
> started usin the $_REQUEST object.  The good thing about that is then
> regardless of a POST or a GET you can use the $_REQUEST['<varname>'].
> If we don't want to do that, we *could* simply either ask for the PHP
> version in config.php or check it through the code and if they don't
> support $_REQUEST, then you could add the the top of lib-common.php
> somewhere this:
>
> $_REQUEST = array_merge($HTTP_POST_VARS, $HTTP_GET_VARS);
>
> That way the code regardless of PHP version would be the same.
>
> Make sense?  Comments, questions, concerns?  How much fun would
> regression testing this be?
>
> --Tony
>
> LIMBURG, Mark wrote:
>
> >Howdy
> >
> >I'm thinking of taking this on.  Are there any *good* doco's on how to
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From dirk at haun-online.de  Mon Jul 28 16:22:50 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:22:50 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Project Formerly Known As Echo
Message-ID: <20030728202250.23396@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tony, have you heard anything from the guy who posted a "Webportal
Interoperability Protocol" proposal to the contact-us list back in June
(and who you responded to)?

The reason I'm asking: I've been spending a lot of time reading through
the Wiki of the project that at one point carried the name "Echo"[1] over
the weekend - and I think that maybe this was more or less what he was
looking for anyway ...

    http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/

"The Project is an initiative to develop a common syntax for syndicating,
archiving and editing episodic web sites."

So this is an attempt to replace things like RSS as well as the various
Blogging-APIs. Many well-known names and companies have already joined
this effort, and so I'm sure this is something we can't afford to miss.
Worth looking into, IMHO.

I've hacked together an implementation of the current syndication draft:

    http://geeklog.info/backend/new-feed.xml

That's not too different from an RSS feed, but has some nice options,
like allowing for alternative representations of the same content (here:
text/plain and text/html versions of a story).

Personally, I'm currently more interested in the editing API, but that's
pointless without a client (at the current point) and I haven't quite
understood their authentification approach yet ...

bye, Dirk

[1] It's difficult to refer to a project that keeps changing its name so
often. I will stick with Echo for now, until they come up with yet
another new name:

    http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NameFinalVote


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From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Jul 31 15:43:21 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:43:21 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] COM_exportRDF mods, was: backlog RSS feed for feedster
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Message-ID: <3F297159.7040003@tonybibbs.com>

Dirk,

Maybe COM_exportRDF() should be modified to take a destination location, 
topic ID and query limit as optional arguments.  That way custom RDF's 
become a snap.  Just a thought.

--Tony

geeklog-users-admin at lists.geeklog.net wrote:

>Actually, I do understand what you just said, since it basically amounts to
>copying, pasting, and editing (my three strong suits), but Dirk's task maybe
>a little too hard for me at this point.  
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: geeklog-users-admin at lists.geeklog.net
>[mailto:geeklog-users-admin at lists.geeklog.net] 
>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:21 PM
>To: geeklog-users at lists.geeklog.net
>Subject: Re: [geeklog-users] backlog RSS feed for feedster
>
>Generating one RSS file for ALL stories in your Geeklog installation is 
>easy enough.  Simply copy COM_exportRDF to lib-custom.php and rename it 
>to something logical like CUST_allStories2RDF(), change the name of the 
>RDF output file and then remove the limit clause in the SQL query.  
>After that you just need to create a PHP page to call that function and 
>then point your browser or RDF parser the location of your new RDF.
>
>My hunch is if what Dirk said before is over your head, what I just 
>explained isn't much better but at least I tried ;-)
>
>--Tony
>
>geeklog-users-admin at lists.geeklog.net wrote:
>
>  
>
>>A bit over my head right now, but here's how someone did it for Radio
>>UserLand.
>>
>>http://www.cybersaps.org/publicTools/backLogAllRSS/index.html
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: geeklog-users-admin at lists.geeklog.net
>>[mailto:geeklog-users-admin at lists.geeklog.net] 
>>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:41 PM
>>To: geeklog-users at lists.geeklog.net
>>Subject: Re: [geeklog-users] backlog RSS feed for feedster
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>and it's asking for a "backlog" RSS address.  The GL current is at
>>>/backend/geeklog.rdf, where's the backlog?
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Geeklog doesn't have a "backlog" (whatever that's supposed to be).
>>There's only one RSS feed with the 10 (or whatever you configured) most
>>recent posts.
>>
>>bye, Dirk
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
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From dirk at haun-online.de  Thu Jul 31 18:05:58 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:05:58 +0200
Subject: [geeklog-devel] COM_exportRDF mods, was: backlog RSS feed for
 feedster
In-Reply-To: <3F297159.7040003@tonybibbs.com>
References: <3F297159.7040003@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <20030731220558.31717@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:

>Maybe COM_exportRDF() should be modified to take a destination location, 
>topic ID and query limit as optional arguments.  That way custom RDF's 
>become a snap.  Just a thought.

I was actually hoping the poster over in geeklog-users could contribute
this :-)

If I'm going to touch that code, I would also rip it apart so that the
actual (RSS) format is separated from the content. That would make it
easier, for example, to support whatever format the Not-Echo initiative
comes up with.

Actually, I already did that for the RSS feed support in the Journal
plugin ...

bye, Dirk


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