[geeklog-devel] Input From PJ of Groklaw

Vincent Furia vfuria at gmail.com
Fri Aug 20 11:30:42 EDT 2004

5)  Comment Pagination: Already checked into CVS.  And yes, big
performance improvement on stories with LOTS of comments.

I haven't seen Rakaz around in a while, but next time I see him I'll
let him know the details of all the performance improvements I've

I can't imagine what would cause stories and comments to diappear. 
There a couple places where, using my imagination, I could see
multiple Admins editing or adding an item at the same time could cause
problems, but that is more likely just some corruption rather than


On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:53:34 -0500, Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:
> I recently was made aware of some issues Groklaw was having.  Seems as
> though Stories and commennts come up missing sporadically.  I contacted
> PJ and she says she's been working with Rakaz (she calls him MathFox).
> on the issues. If anybody sees Rakaz in IRC they should bring this up
> and see how we might help.  Also, any changes related to performance
> that we have made we should share with Groklaw immediate so they might
> modify their existing code (vinny I think I saw CVS commits from you in
> particular related to performance and comments).
> Aside from that PJ had a number of feature requests so I'm putting them
> here so that they will be considered in either of the branches:
> 1) PJ likes to have a couple versions of the same page loaded.  In one
> she uses to view the article, in the othe she edits it.  She'd like away
> to do this in one page.
> 2) Comment moderation has been mentioned numerous times.  However, her
> request is that admins would be able to moderate the comments.  I think
> that is a bit more realistic (and useful).
> 3) She would like to mark bad comments as hidden (basic trolling).
> Naturally they would show up for the admin but not the regular users.
> 4) She would like quotations, blocks of text in an article, to
> optionally have a slightly darker shading than the rest of the page, so
> it would be clearly a quotation, without having to use quotation marks.
> Blaine can we borrow the forum code for this?
> 5) She'd like pagination of commments.  This is a good idea as it would
> help performance.
> 6) She'd like users to edit their own comments and even delete them if
> no one has responded to it yet.
> 7) Similar to #1 she wants to be able to edit and review a static page
> in one sweep.
> 8) Add the ability to convert a PDF to plain text (great idea to
> compliment our new PDF generation)
> 9) This one is hard to rearticulate so I'm quoting her exactly: "It
> would be nice if there could be a work area, where everyone could work
> on a document together, which I could let certain groups have access
> to.  It's the single hardest part of Groklaw, the difficulty of working
> together fast when we're all over the world.  I know I could do it now
> if I give everyone the power, but for security reasons, it has to be a
> walled off area, so they can't wander about.  My readers know how to do
> everything, and sometimes we get volunteers with an agenda, so I need to
> be careful.  When we do audio transcripts, for example, we typically
> break it up into mp3s and then everyone gets sent one. It would be
> pleasant to be able to have folks just come and grab what they want and
> have a place to input the result on Groklaw, instead of it all being
> funneled through me."
> Obviously some of these we've seen before.  Some we haven't.  I think
> quite a few are low hanging fruit and others would take quite a bit of
> work.  Nonetheless, I think we should consider these.  I know in a truly
> democratic system (which this isn't necessarily) we give all users the
> same say but I think we would be wise to at least address a few of these
> ideas as I'd hate to see Groklaw change platforms.  To be clear,
> changing platforms wasn't mentioned in the message she sent me but I
> can't imagine it wasn't thought off considering they have content
> disappearing.
> Also, this may be a good time to try recruiting more help off of
> geeklog.net.  I was surprised at the help I got for Auth_Enterprise by
> nagging people there.  I think if we create a request for help and list
> some of these request (along with any prexisting issues on the project
> site) and drop Groklaw's name we might get more help because....well,
> nobody really wants to see SCO win this thing and helping, even if in
> this indirect way, would probably motivate people.
> Thoughts, questions or concerns?
> --Tony
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