[geeklog-devel] [Fwd: Re: Geeklog and Groklaw]
tony at tonybibbs.com
Fri Aug 20 11:36:46 EDT 2004
Some clarification to the list I sent.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Geeklog and Groklaw
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:21:50 +0000
From: Pamela Jones <pj at groklaw.com>
To: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
References: <200408182042.i7IKgpu32509 at statler.metalab.unc.edu>
<69B65C55-F17F-11D8-9895-000D93C0C6E2 at groklaw.com>
<412610B2.1000109 at tonybibbs.com>
Couple of things: rakaz and mathfox are two different people, but both
work on Groklaw. But mathfox is the webmaster.
Second, on the request you list as number one: I need to explain
better. What mathfox has said is that if I simultaneously open up two
copies of the same page of Groklaw, it can cause problems. I would
like to be able to do that, because of the reasons I mentioned. But on
that request (as distinct from my request re static pages), I am not
asking that it be viewable on the same page. Two open at the same time
Also, on public requests for help. Please remove the moderator request
regarding hiding. I have enough diligent Utah people attacking me for
moderating as it is. I'd appreciate keeping that part more private.
On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 14:54, Tony Bibbs wrote:
> I've forwarded your input on to our developers and cc'd you both in.
> PJ, as you think of more things feel free to send them to me.
> Pamela Jones wrote:
> > Hi Tony,
> > Thank you for Geeklog. I've enjoyed it a lot. I'm thrilled to hear you
> > are working on making it scale, and just in time! I think there are
> > some issues having to do with scale that we are starting to run into.
> > MathFox has done some personalizing, as you probably know. But with
> > a thousand comments on a story yesterday, well...it's a lot.
> > He thinks maybe I caused the problem with the disappearing stories, by
> > having three different pages of Groklaw open at the same time. I don't
> > think that is it, though, because I wasn't working on Groklaw at the
> > time, and was doing email instead when it happened. On the other hand,
> > he's usually right. It might be a good idea if you contact him and you
> > two can talk with more specifics. I'm cc'ing him with this.
> > Also, comments are starting to disappear sometimes. I don't know
> > why. We are analyzing the logs now, so I can't really answer your
> > question as to why yet. We have issues with bandwidth because ibiblio
> > rations us, and sometimes it's hard to know what is a real problem and
> > what is just an ibiblio issue. But when the disappearing stories went
> > poof, all three turned up as drafts, but early versions, missing huge
> > chunks, and with comments attached, but not necessarily attached to
> > the right story. When I looked at the stats, it would say 6 hits, 27
> > comments, which is impossible, obviously, or at least inconceivable,
> > and there wouldn't be 27 comments in any case, so while some data was
> > saved, it was garbled.
> > I'm generally a problem. I do like to open several pages at once and
> > work that way, and MathFox scolds me about that. If you could make it
> > so I could do that, I'd be thrilled. For example, I like to open an
> > article and go down the comments and have a second window open with
> > the page where I can edit any mistakes I've made and readers catch.
> > Also, in a perfect world, I'd be able to go through comments, flag the
> > really good ones and they'd show up in a special place at the top of
> > the list, a kind of Best of the Comments on this Article, so really
> > busy folks could just read those. I'd like it so I could "anoint" a
> > crew to handle that choosing. With me being able to overrule them.
> > I'd also love it if I could hide comments and have them show up
> > nowhere unless I made them visible again. The troll dance. That way
> > moderators could hide a comment, and I could later go through and
> > either confirm by deleting or restore, if they go too far. But they'd
> > have to disappear from search and every form of view.
> > Another thing I'd love would be if we could have it so quotations,
> > blocks of text in an article, could optionally have a slightly darker
> > shading than the rest of the page, so it would be clearly a quotation,
> > without having to use quotation marks.
> > It would be nice if there could be a work area, where everyone could
> > work on a document together, which I could let certain groups have
> > access to. It's the single hardest part of Groklaw, the difficulty of
> > working together fast when we're all over the world. I know I could
> > do it now if I give everyone the power, but for security reasons, it
> > has to be a walled off area, so they can't wander about. My readers
> > know how to do everything, and sometimes we get volunteers with an
> > agenda, so I need to be careful. When we do audio transcripts, for
> > example, we typically break it up into mp3s and then everyone gets
> > sent one. It would be pleasant to be able to have folks just come and
> > grab what they want and have a place to input the result on Groklaw,
> > instead of it all being funneled through me.
> > I'd love it if there was a way to have comments up to a certain number
> > and then they'd click to read the rest. When we get 400 plus per
> > story, and sometimes more than twice that, it slows things down quite
> > a lot. If the only way to do it is a la Slashdot, though, I'd rather
> > stick to what we have already. I hate the Slashdot method, because it
> > repeats way too many comments on the next page.
> > Sometimes readers ask for the ability to edit their own comments or
> > even delete them.
> > It would be very nice if the static pages could be viewed in edit. For
> > example, if I want to edit the IBM timeline page, I have to open two
> > windows to be able to see what I'm doing, because in edit, you see
> > only the html, not the finished look, and you really want both.
> > Someone is trying to work out a way to write a script to quickly
> > change a pdf to plain text. If it were built in, my whole life would
> > get better.
> > Sorry you asked yet?
> > : )
> > When we figure out what happened with the disappearing story, I'll
> > write to you again and let you know.
> > I love the idea of working together, because there will surely be more
> > Groklaws in the future. Mathfox has, I believe, donated some stuff
> > back. But some things we kind of keep under wraps for the moment,
> > mainly because I'd rather the astroturfers not know all our tricks.
> > PJ
> > On Aug 18, 2004, at 4:42 PM, tony_bibbs wrote:
> >> PJ,
> >> I'm Tony Bibbs, one of the maintainers for Geeklog. We have watched
> >> Groklaw grow and have been excited to see it has, for the most part,
> >> grown with the site. I noticed you have run into a problem with lost
> >> stories and I'd like to get some insight into the cause so we might
> >> address this should it prove to be an issue with the Geeklog code or
> >> the Geeklog database.
> >> I've read many of the posts related to this and everybody seemed to
> >> have an opinion on how to improve things. Mine is quite simply, let
> >> us work with you to address any issues you might have...it only helps
> >> us make Geeklog better and you get, I hope, the reassurance we value
> >> you and your site.
> >> So that you know, I'm responsible for the next version of Geeklog
> >> (version 2) and it is going to be built with large scale deployments
> >> in mind and will include an upgrade path from 1.3.x. To that end if
> >> you have any suggestions on how we might improve Geeklog we would
> >> love any feedback you might have.
> >> Thanks,
> >> --Tony
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