[geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15

Tue Feb 16 11:29:16 EST 2010

Actually I think social networking should be include in geeklog.
for example : facebook is very popular this days....
if we can connect them not going to the www.facebook.com site by using our
geeklog... it will be fine...
:-)
any one think about how to intergrate Fb and to where...

I have an idea we can include a chat client that can use fb chat...
 and also status update.....
fan club...

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>   1. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (Tom)
>   2. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (Dirk Haun)
>   3. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (Dirk Haun)
>   4. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (Joe Mucchiello)
>   5. Re: GSoC 2010 is on - Spam-X (Markus)
>   6. Re: GSoC 2010 is on - Social Networking (Markus)
>   7. Re: The Slogan which is a Claim (Markus)
>   8. Re: The Slogan which is a Claim (Vincent Furia)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:46:05 -0500
> From: "Tom" <websitemaster at cogeco.net>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on
> To: "'Geeklog Development'" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> I was hoping to see the Spam-X overhaul kept on the GSOC list as having a
> Moderation Option, Use Counter, etc... would be a big help. Another idea
> would be to allow SPAM detection to fail more gracefully and give the user
> a
> second chance (the moderation option may cover this though). For example a
> post that fails could return basic information on why it failed (ie 2 spam
> words found, only 3 links allowed in a post, etc...) and then redisplay
> their post for them to edit and try again.
>
> I have also have had cases where I wished SPAMX treated items (stories,
> comments, etc..) differently. You could have a global set of keywords,
> modules and then allow for subsets if the admin wanted tighter/looser
> control on particular items.
>
> Another GSOC idea I don't want to see dropped is the Social Networking
> features. I haven't had any need for this myself as of yet (except for
> Facebook Connect where I hope to get more people logging into my sites) but
> I can see where this feature would be a huge draw to webmasters. The
> problem
> I think we have here is what is the big picture (which does not need to be
> completed in this round of the GSOC), what do we want, and how do we divide
> it up into acceptable sized projects.
>
> So what are the basics of Social Networking? (I think Joe covered this
> pretty well in one of his posts.)
>
> 1. The ability for users to request friends/accept friend requests and to
> be
> able to create Groups of Friends.
>
> 2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want
> their users to be able to do with friends?
>        - Is a Wall needed like on Facebook?
>        - User Blogs?
>        - For Private non-email Messages?
>        - Chatting
>        - Sharing Photos, Videos
>        - Pulling Social Networking information from other sources?
>        - Geeklog Plugin Support?
>        - JQUERY required?
>        - etc...
>
> 3. Finally how is the stuff going to work?
>        - Is it features that are integrated into the My Account with new
> tabs, profile page?
>        - Is it a separate plugin that may need some new plugin API calls
> built into Geeklog?
>        - Or is it integrated right into Geeklog?
>
>
> So, we need #1 for sure and it needs to be integrated into Geeklog with
> probably an additional tab in My Account to handle managing all the friends
> and groups. So as specified in #2, what one or two core features does
> Geeklog Admins need/want?
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> Tom
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun
> Sent: February-07-10 2:34 PM
> To: geeklog-devel
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on
>
> As a reminder: Organizations can apply for participation in GSoC 2010
> from March 8 on. That's 4 weeks from now. We should have a good list of
> fleshed-out project ideas by then. What we have at the moment isn't so
> great, IMO ...
>
> http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code
> http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/GSoC_Brainstorming
>
> Thanks to those who are willing to mentor. We could use a few more
> people, though. Please apply within :)
>
> bye, Dirk
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:08:58 +0100
> From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on
> To: geeklog-devel <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> Tom wrote:
>
> >I was hoping to see the Spam-X overhaul kept on the GSOC list as having a
> >Moderation Option, Use Counter, etc... would be a big help.
>
> I think the main problem with the Spam-X ideas is that they are not very
> attractive as a project. It's a collection of separate ideas with "has
> something to do with spam" as the only common theme.
>
> The only thing that I'm really missing when dealing with spam every day
> is the ability to share blacklists between sites. There's some spam
> that, when it hits one site, will surely hit other sites, too, within a
> short period of time. So that would call for something like SWOT. But
> SWOT as such is too small a project for GSoC.
>
> The other really useful thing would be to be able to hold back supposed
> spam posts instead of outright deleting them. But that's tricky to
> implement with the current API: Spam-X doesn't know where the post it's
> checking is coming from and so couldn't stick it into a moderation
> queue. That would be the caller's job. Which of course means extra work
> on that end. The only other option I see here would be to define a new
> API - which would then require lots of changes to use this new API.
>
> So the "moderation queue" idea would be mostly a lot of boring work. And
> again would be too small a project for GSoC.
>
> Bundling SWOT and the moderation queue in one project doesn't really
> make it any more attractive either ...
>
> So I do see the need for some work here but I currently don't see a way
> to turn this into a successful GSoC project.
>
> bye, Dirk
>
> P.S. The use counter is something you could easily implement in an
> afternoon.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:12:16 +0100
> From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on
> To: geeklog-devel <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> Tom wrote:
>
> >Another GSOC idea I don't want to see dropped is the Social Networking
> >features.
>
> Just to repeat: I'm not against adding Social Networking features to
> Geeklog. I only see this problem:
>
> >2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want
> >their users to be able to do with friends?
>
> And I think if someone comes up with an answer to this, it could become
> an interesting project.
>
> bye, Dirk
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:38 -0500
> From: Joe Mucchiello <joe at ThrowingDice.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> At 02:12 PM 2/15/2010, Dirk Haun wrote:
> > >2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want
> > >their users to be able to do with friends?
> >
> >And I think if someone comes up with an answer to this, it could become
> >an interesting project.
>
> It might be better to negate this question: What does a typical
> Geeklog webmaster NOT want their users to be able to do with friends?
> I'm sure some sites would disable the friend code in its entirety but
> what about partial implementations? Calendar events for private
> groups would be great and it would be something a webmaster might
> want to disable. Links only my friends can see? Also something
> someone might want to disable. Etc. Basically the real question is
> how will friends be useable and how do you make it easy for the admin
> to disable one or more of these things.
>
> The current problem is that it isn't possible to hook into the
> permissions system currently to add friendship lists to the system.
> Once that ability exists, every subsystem will need to determine "is
> this something individual users should be able to add to their
> profile?" Currently Geeklog is very admin oriented. You give discrete
> abilities to a select few chosen people and they then pontificate to
> your users. Social networking turns that on its ear. They are all
> about allowing users to talk to other users without some
> administrator vetting the content.
>
> Personally step 1 doesn't sound like a GSOC project. It sounds like
> something done by (or for) the team and integrated into a new version
> of Geeklog and left turned off when first released. Then you can have
> GSOC projects for integrating existing (and new) systems with the new
> friend capabilities. It's kind of a chicken and egg issue. You can't
> add friend capabilities to things without core support and adding
> core support for friends is useless if nothing uses that support.
>
>
> ----
> Joe Mucchiello
> Throwing Dice Games
> http://www.throwingdice.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:06:20 +0100
> From: Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on - Spam-X
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> I`m not using spam-x because of the fact that it produces false
> positives which are not moderated. As for me this would be a main
> feature of spam-x.
>
> Markus
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:21:45 +0100
> From: Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on - Social Networking
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Message-ID: <20100215232145.21196gov4gp4k73t at www.mail-interface.de>
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>
> If userblogs would be a part of Social Networking I wonder if they
> should be an own topic. There are a lot of things to be considerd like
> read only topics etc.
>
> Many times user blogs have been asked for as a feature on the forum.
>
> Markus
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:30:56 +0100
> From: Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Message-ID: <20100215233056.11806cq779zjge8w at www.mail-interface.de>
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> Concerning "Aptitude"
>
> It is difficult to take a word that has a meaning in only one
> language. Aptitude is not an internationally used word. Mambo is and
> in the year 2001 the song Mambo No. 5 was a bestseller. I slowly begin
> to understand how ingenious the naming of mambo was. It was only later
> that it was renamed to mamboCMS.
>
>
> So to me there is still the question if Geeklog will get an "add on"
> CMS - GeeklogCMS? Then the claim would not need to repeat 'CMS'.
>
> Markus
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:29:40 -0700
> From: Vincent Furia <vfuria at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Message-ID:
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> I agree AptitudeCMS is confusing because of its similarity to the package
> management application. But to say a brand name has to have meaning in
> every
> language is limiting and has plenty of counter-examples. Not only are there
> many companies whose names don't have meanings in several languages, but
> there are plenty of brands whose name has no meaning in any language.
>
> If there was a great German name for Geeklog I'd be all for it. No matter
> that it didn't have an English (or other language meaning).
>
> -Vinny
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > Concerning "Aptitude"
> >
> > It is difficult to take a word that has a meaning in only one language.
> > Aptitude is not an internationally used word. Mambo is and in the year
> 2001
> > the song Mambo No. 5 was a bestseller. I slowly begin to understand how
> > ingenious the naming of mambo was. It was only later that it was renamed
> to
> > mamboCMS.
> >
> >
> > So to me there is still the question if Geeklog will get an "add on" CMS
> -
> > GeeklogCMS? Then the claim would not need to repeat 'CMS'.
> >
> > Markus
> >
> >
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