From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Sun Jun 1 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #154 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <20030601170002.22765.55271.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Jahia (Blaine Lang) 2. Re: Jahia (Dwight Trumbower) 3. Re: Jahia (Blaine Lang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Blaine Lang" To: Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:11:13 -0400 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Jahia Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3277E.7E43A1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had not heard of Jahia before - but it is positioned as a Open = Corporate Portal Solution. http://www.jahia.org/jahia/Jahia Written in Java (Tony will like that) - released under a "collaborative = source license". It's not free and not cheap either but released with source code. Just looking around on their site - they have some nice features = although some of their portlets (plugins) look pretty crappy. Blaine ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3277E.7E43A1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had not heard of Jahia before - but = it is=20 positioned as a Open Corporate Portal Solution.

http://www.jahia.org/jahia/Jahi= a

Written in Java (Tony will like that) - = released=20 under a "collaborative source license".

It's not free and not cheap either but = released=20 with source code.

Just looking around on their site - = they have some=20 nice features although some of their portlets (plugins) look pretty=20 crappy.

Blaine

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3277E.7E43A1F0-- --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:32:32 -0500 To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net From: Dwight Trumbower Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Jahia Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net At 02:11 PM 5/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I had not heard of Jahia before - but it is positioned as a Open Corporate >Portal Solution. > >http://www.jahia.org/jahia/Jahia > >Written in Java (Tony will like that) - released under a "collaborative >source license". >It's not free and not cheap either but released with source code. > >Just looking around on their site - they have some nice features although >some of their portlets (plugins) look pretty crappy. > >Blaine > If you want to find out about more, you can subscribe to http://cms-list.org/, Apache Lenya was just released this week, which is also Java. http://www.apache.org/dist/cocoon/lenya/ Cocoon is a framework geared towards CMS. Dwight --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Blaine Lang" To: Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Jahia Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:39:52 -0400 Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net "Dwight Trumbower" wrote: > If you want to find out about more, you can subscribe to http://cms-list.org/, Dwight thanks, I did a few days ago after your note and it's a great list. Thats where I got the info from :) I've been reading each daily digest from the list. Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight Trumbower" To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Jahia > At 02:11 PM 5/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >I had not heard of Jahia before - but it is positioned as a Open Corporate > >Portal Solution. > > > >http://www.jahia.org/jahia/Jahia > > > >Written in Java (Tony will like that) - released under a "collaborative > >source license". > >It's not free and not cheap either but released with source code. > > > >Just looking around on their site - they have some nice features although > >some of their portlets (plugins) look pretty crappy. > > > >Blaine > > > > If you want to find out about more, you can subscribe to http://cms-list.org/, > > Apache Lenya was just released this week, which is also Java. > http://www.apache.org/dist/cocoon/lenya/ > > Cocoon is a framework geared towards CMS. > > Dwight > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel > --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Tue Jun 3 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #155 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <20030603170002.3653.94676.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. GL 2.0 Consideration - WSRP (Blaine Lang) 2. Gartners updated Magic Quadrant report on Portals (Blaine Lang) 3. GL2 admin ui (Dwight Trumbower) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Blaine Lang" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:26:14 -0400 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL 2.0 Consideration - WSRP Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3293C.D51A40F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are few evolving standards with Portals but WSRP (Web Services for = Remote Portals) looks to be a key standard that we will want to support. This presentation explains it well: = http://xml.coverpages.org/wsrp-overview200206.pdf ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3293C.D51A40F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There are few evolving standards with = Portals but=20 WSRP (Web Services for Remote Portals) looks to be a key standard = that we=20 will want to support.

This presentation explains it = well: http://xml.cov= erpages.org/wsrp-overview200206.pdf

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3293C.D51A40F0-- --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Blaine Lang" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:20:07 -0400 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Gartners updated Magic Quadrant report on Portals Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3294C.BDB03180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was surprised to find this in the public domain. It is Gartners = updated as of March 2003 Magic Quadrant on Portal Solutions. Obviously focused on the top comercial solutions - it is still = interesting as industry information. http://www.gartnervoice.com/Weekly/2003/Mar31/1hor/1hr.htm ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3294C.BDB03180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was surprised to find this in the = public domain.=20 It is Gartners updated as of March 2003 Magic Quadrant on Portal=20 Solutions.

Obviously focused on the top comercial = solutions -=20 it is still interesting as industry information.

http:= //www.gartnervoice.com/Weekly/2003/Mar31/1hor/1hr.htm

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3294C.BDB03180-- --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 11:09:08 -0500 To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net From: Dwight Trumbower Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL2 admin ui Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Another example of a decent ui for admin of a cms. http://www.mlore.com/mlore_tour/fullscreen.html It is a flash presentation. Click on the "How it works" step. Dwight dwight at trumbower.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Sat Jun 7 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #156 - 2 msgs Message-ID: <20030607170002.32006.55370.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. lib-sessions.php (Tony Bibbs) 2. Re: lib-sessions.php (Dirk Haun) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:45:27 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] lib-sessions.php Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Dirk, Just a quick note to let you know that the fix you checked in does work. Turns out when I added 'localhost' as my cookiedomain I forgot to remove it before testing. When I removed that and retested it worked just fine. --Tony --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] lib-sessions.php Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:21:03 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Tony Bibbs wrote: >Just a quick note to let you know that the fix you checked in does work. > Turns out when I added 'localhost' as my cookiedomain I forgot to >remove it before testing. When I removed that and retested it worked >just fine. Good, thanks. I guess that new cookie handling in CVS has more surprises in store when it's actually tested on all those browser / server setup combinations out there. So if someone here finds some time to test it out, I'd appreciate it. Summary: In another attempt to resolve what was once the "www vs. non- www" problem, I've removed the redirection code from index.php. Instead, all setcookie() calls throughout Geeklog now use all six parameters which seems to have the desired effect (i.e. user is recognized no matter from which URL s/he logs in). If it does not work, you may need to set the $_CONF['cookiedomain'] variable (although lib-sessions.php tries to guess the correct value, it may fail on some setups). Preferrably, if your domain is example.com, it should be set to '.example.com' (notice the two dots). In some cases, especially when upgrading a site while you still have valid cookies / sessions, you may need to delete the cookies for the site before the login will work. I assume this will have to be a new entry for the FAQ ... bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://mypod.de/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Sun Jun 8 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #157 - 1 msg Message-ID: <20030608170002.13728.79639.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Geeklog version number (Dirk Haun) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:41:16 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog version number Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net In the light of recent events, I was thinking about removing the version number from Geeklog's footer (at least for the default themes - simply not setting the {geeklog_version} variable would leave a hard-coded 'v' in most themes). Obviously, we would need another place to display the version number, but preferably one where only Admins can see it. Ideas: - After the "GL Version Test" link (instead of the "N/A") - In the headline of the Command and Control block - both Other places, ideas? bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://www.haun.info/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Mon Jun 9 13:00:03 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:00:03 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #158 - 2 msgs Message-ID: <20030609170003.20667.85728.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Search queries ... (Dirk Haun) 2. Re: Geeklog version number (Tony Bibbs) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:24:18 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Subject: [geeklog-devel] Search queries ... Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net When running the geeklog.net logfiles through Analog, I noticed that the Top 5 search queries (in search engines, not on the site) that brought people to geeklog.net were: 1. geeklog, 951 hits 2. casual sex, 154 hits 3. geeklog themes, 152 hits 4. watermellon, 108 hits 5. ibrattleboro hate mail, 84 hits each Now, I know where the "casual sex" comes from (do you?). "watermellon" and "ibrattleboro" are sites listed on the links page - with the former not even running Geeklog any more :-( A bit further down the list we also have such interesting queries as "engine problems" (58 hits), "geek wallpaper" (56), and "the additional features for working with linked tables have been deactivated" (sic!) with 41 hits. Just found this amusing ... bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:10:34 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog version number Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Both places makes sense to me. --Tony Dirk Haun wrote: >In the light of recent events, I was thinking about removing the version >number from Geeklog's footer (at least for the default themes - simply >not setting the {geeklog_version} variable would leave a hard-coded 'v' >in most themes). > >Obviously, we would need another place to display the version number, but >preferably one where only Admins can see it. > >Ideas: >- After the "GL Version Test" link (instead of the "N/A") >- In the headline of the Command and Control block >- both > >Other places, ideas? > >bye, Dirk > > > > --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Tue Jun 10 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #159 - 2 msgs Message-ID: <20030610170002.27764.16202.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. WSRP, GL2 and other stuff (Tony Bibbs) 2. Re: WSRP, GL2 and other stuff (Tony Bibbs) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:06:00 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] WSRP, GL2 and other stuff Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Holy bloat batman. Don't get me wrong, I see and understand the value in this. However, my hunch is that simply implementing the 1.0 spec (if it is even out) would take months (at my current rate) and you haven't even begun to address the core GL2 features. Furthermore, I have no feel for any progress being made on a PHP Portlet API. I think having one would be nice but a google search on "PHP Portlet API" brings up an old geeklog-devtalk post first which leads me to believe we are the only ones even thinking out load about this. I think we could recruit the right people from various PHP CMS systems to start building the API but do we really want to spend our time doing this? I would love to but at the current rate GL2 will be lucky to be in beta by this winter given the general lack of additional support I have. Which brings me to my next point. I am growing increasing frustrated with the general disinterest in GL2. I have architected what I believe to be a good foundation thus far but have received little to no input and hardly any programming support. Doing no one any discredit, I understand why it is important to keep 1.3.x moving and I don't want to stop that. However, long ago we had ear marked a few new features in 1.3.x and had talked about freezing that codebase except for security and bug fixes. Now, I admit there wasn't broad consensus then but I guess I had always hoped for this. In an effort to correct this, I have been back in contact with Jason and he is still onboard albeit it in a limited capacity. I guess my point is I feel we are at a point where we should shit or get off the pot. Perhaps I woke up on the wrong side of bed and I admit today the glass is half empty so I apologize if this sounds harsh. With all this said, is a 1.3.x code freeze feasible? If not, I will need help building a general roadmap for GL2 and help recuiting new help because, to be honest, GL2 has enough code that I need extra eyes to validate or invalidate what I already have and I will need consistent help moving forward with it. I think we all agree GL 1.3.x is quickly outgrowing it's capabilities, I think the user community is interested in the prospect of GL2 so unless I am way off base I think the need is there. I just don't feel the commitment is there and it is to the point that I have begun to lose interest in it and I hate that. I think if we could all get engaged with GL2 to some degree that would provide sufficient motivation. My point is something needs to change. I have ideas of what those things are but they all require more fresh bodies...a rare commodity in building OSS. Again, none of this is meant to be personal. It is just my current perspective and a cry out for help. --Tony Blaine Lang wrote: > There are few evolving standards with Portals but WSRP (Web Services > for Remote Portals) looks to be a key standard that we will want to > support. > > This presentation explains it well: > http://xml.coverpages.org/wsrp-overview200206.pdf > > > > --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:17:19 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: Vincent Furia CC: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] WSRP, GL2 and other stuff Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Vincent, my comments are below. I cc'd the list as I think my repsonses will shed some light for others. --Tony Vincent Furia wrote: > Tony, > > There are several of us 'non-core' (no cvs access) developers waiting > in the wings, wondering when you're going to start farming out work > for geeklog. I can only really speak for myself, but I'm pretty > frustrated at the lack of communications we get. The communication structure for GL2 doesn't really exists because, to be frank, it has been a one person effort thus far. I would love to add people to the mix and if you are volunteering to be engaged and accountable for certain pieces that is great. So, for the record, I will assume you are interested unless I hear otherwise. > > A couple of months ago I gave you a bunch of input on the MVCnPHP > library, that appear to have just been ignored. I don't mind being > ignored if I can see that my code is (a) being incorporated in CVS or > (b) the problems I found were being addressed in another way. > Otherwise a response back would be nice indicating what you think of > the changes (even a "don't bother me with this" would be better than > being ignored). This was especially frustrating because you even > asked people on the devel mailing list to review your MVCnPHP code. Yes, you have. I haven't touched the MVC code since my last message to the list. You aren't being ignored and I can understand how my silence can give you that impression so my apologies. Your input I took as someone who simply gave an honest look at the code (and I do appreciate it) but not as a developer. Had your intents been more clear I would have responded differently I'm sure. > > > The lack of communication is hurtful in other ways. About two weeks > ago a developer on the IRC channel was wondering what happened to > you. It seems he had been trying to contact you to help with GL2 for > about a month and hadn't been able to get a response. He was getting > so frustrated he considered spawning his own GL2 (obviously under a > different name). I think this is a pretty common feeling with many > people who are looking forward to GL2. Who is this 'developer'? To be honest, I have received no real input or interest for helping with GL2. A quick search of in mailbox confirms this. For someone to be to a point to spawn his own GL2 is a bit premature considering nobody has been contact with me. If you can dig this person up, let me know and I can follow-up because, again, there is more than enough work to go around. > > > In this case, I had recently spoken to you on IRC, so I mentioned to > this developer that you were planning on putting a story up on GL2 to > get input on the plugin API for GL2 ("the next big thing to do"). > That was more than a month and a half ago. I haven't seen the > developer's handle on IRC since. Well, that was about the point I started getting frustrated. I have literally thousands of lines of code and I decided that before I started on the API I should get some feedback on what has already been done. Much of the code is still alpha or beta quality and it didn't make sense to start something new until some polish was given to things that have been done. The only portions of code that have had any feedback to date is the MVC code and, in part, the Translation library. That still leaves a lot of code to be reviewed (authentication and authorization in particular). > > > Right now I'm working on a generic configuration module that uses > mysql to store config variables and caches them in a php file > (hopefully no more hassle with config.php...). My intent is for this > code to be used for GL2, and possible GL1.3.x and other php projects. > I'd really prefer to be working on some core GL2 code, but it's > impossible to know what to work on when things just "appear" in CVS, > and then attempts to contribute are ignored. > > To make all this constructive, I'd like to recommend better > communication. Maybe a weekly meeting in IRC that goes through status > reports (it could be really short) and a GL2 TODO list maintained on > the website and update regularly as task are accomplished and new work > appears. Actually, I just messaged Dirk that I plan on install the latest gForge code (http://gforge.org) and if it is usable I will put GL2 in there and work with Dirk to get 1.3.x in there as well. That shoud serve as a suitable project website to facilitate better communication. IMHO, IRC or IM is not worth much as I prefer archives of stuff so email should be the focus. Should we create a geeklog2-devel list? That seems to be of value as a lot of mail goes through geeklog-devel that isn't relevant to GL2. Just a thought. > > > This sounds as bad as your post did. I'm sorry, but this has building > for a while and then your post, "a cry for help", struck a pretty raw > nerve. I think I'll send this to you exclusively, and let you mail > it to the list or keep it to yourself as you see fit (and I apologize > for the two email's, I'm not sure which box your using or even if they > are the same box). No, don't worry, the result is all I am after. As long as this spurs the conversation we need to get things going I will be happy. So consider yourself 'in'. Track me down in IRC today and I can set you up in CVS so you have direct access to the code and then we can talk about divying up the tasks. Please be sure to send me the handle or email of that 'other developer' you eluded to. > > Thanks for all the hard work though Tony. No one can fault your > dedication or commitment to GL2. > > -Vinny > > Tony Bibbs wrote: > >> Holy bloat batman. >> >> Don't get me wrong, I see and understand the value in this. However, >> my hunch is that simply implementing the 1.0 spec (if it is even out) >> would take months (at my current rate) and you haven't even begun to >> address the core GL2 features. >> >> Furthermore, I have no feel for any progress being made on a PHP >> Portlet API. I think having one would be nice but a google search on >> "PHP Portlet API" brings up an old geeklog-devtalk post first which >> leads me to believe we are the only ones even thinking out load about >> this. I think we could recruit the right people from various PHP CMS >> systems to start building the API but do we really want to spend our >> time doing this? I would love to but at the current rate GL2 will be >> lucky to be in beta by this winter given the general lack of >> additional support I have. >> >> Which brings me to my next point. I am growing increasing frustrated >> with the general disinterest in GL2. I have architected what I >> believe to be a good foundation thus far but have received little to >> no input and hardly any programming support. Doing no one any >> discredit, I understand why it is important to keep 1.3.x moving and >> I don't want to stop that. However, long ago we had ear marked a few >> new features in 1.3.x and had talked about freezing that codebase >> except for security and bug fixes. Now, I admit there wasn't broad >> consensus then but I guess I had always hoped for this. In an effort >> to correct this, I have been back in contact with Jason and he is >> still onboard albeit it in a limited capacity. >> >> I guess my point is I feel we are at a point where we should shit or >> get off the pot. Perhaps I woke up on the wrong side of bed and I >> admit today the glass is half empty so I apologize if this sounds >> harsh. With all this said, is a 1.3.x code freeze feasible? If >> not, I will need help building a general roadmap for GL2 and help >> recuiting new help because, to be honest, GL2 has enough code that I >> need extra eyes to validate or invalidate what I already have and I >> will need consistent help moving forward with it. >> I think we all agree GL 1.3.x is quickly outgrowing it's >> capabilities, I think the user community is interested in the >> prospect of GL2 so unless I am way off base I think the need is >> there. I just don't feel the commitment is there and it is to the >> point that I have begun to lose interest in it and I hate that. I >> think if we could all get engaged with GL2 to some degree that would >> provide sufficient motivation. My point is something needs to >> change. I have ideas of what those things are but they all require >> more fresh bodies...a rare commodity in building OSS. >> >> Again, none of this is meant to be personal. It is just my current >> perspective and a cry out for help. >> >> --Tony >> >> Blaine Lang wrote: >> >> >>> There are few evolving standards with Portals but WSRP (Web Services >>> for Remote Portals) looks to be a key standard that we will want to >>> support. >>> >>> This presentation explains it well: >>> http://xml.coverpages.org/wsrp-overview200206.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> geeklog-devel mailing list >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Wed Jun 11 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #160 - 4 msgs Message-ID: <20030611170002.2441.24552.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. GL2 and coder apathy (LIMBURG, Mark) 2. Re: GL2 and coder apathy (Tony Bibbs) 3. Re: GL2 and coder apathy (Tom Willett) 4. [Fwd: [Phrame-devel] Industrial Strength MVC] (Tony Bibbs) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "LIMBURG, Mark" To: "'geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net'" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:23:18 +0930 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL2 and coder apathy Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Howdy I won't bother to quote anyone, I'm sure we all read the list. I got out of core GL coding because it was over my head - simple as that. GL1.3.x I can understand, and although I had a bunch of different opinions on what and how to implement parts of GL, we still worked together and pretty well I might add. This was why I was interested in the 1.3.x codebase. I am HIGHLY interested in the 2.x codebase, but I just don't get it. I've tried to read it a few times, and I get lost in the methodology and object level coding. It's not something I've done before, at all .. so it's a little hard to feel that I can make a contribution. I really wish I could, as although I've been playing with tikiwiki and phpbb2, I do think GL2 has the best aim on what is needed and how to get there. As such, I've reverted into lurk mode, hoping GL2 gets to the point where I *can* help out ... with themes, modules, and the whole user interface issue. I *really* want to help, I just don't know how ... Mark Limburg Operations Support Team Leader Information Services BAE SYSTEMS Australia --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:56:23 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GL2 and coder apathy Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Mark, I think you can handle GL2 just fine. Don't let the OO nature scare you away, I know you are capable of picking it up. I think the easiest way, if you are serious, is to take a very simple maintenance task on some of the existing code. That my help you see how it all comes together. Let me know if you are interested... --Tony LIMBURG, Mark wrote: > Howdy > > I won't bother to quote anyone, I'm sure we all read the list. > > I got out of core GL coding because it was over my head - simple as that. > GL1.3.x I can understand, and although I had a bunch of different opinions > on what and how to implement parts of GL, we still worked together and > pretty well I might add. This was why I was interested in the 1.3.x > codebase. > > I am HIGHLY interested in the 2.x codebase, but I just don't get it. I've > tried to read it a few times, and I get lost in the methodology and object > level coding. It's not something I've done before, at all .. so it's a > little hard to feel that I can make a contribution. I really wish I could, > as although I've been playing with tikiwiki and phpbb2, I do think GL2 has > the best aim on what is needed and how to get there. As such, I've reverted > into lurk mode, hoping GL2 gets to the point where I *can* help out ... with > themes, modules, and the whole user interface issue. > > I *really* want to help, I just don't know how ... > > Mark Limburg > > Operations Support Team Leader > Information Services > BAE SYSTEMS Australia > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Tom Willett" To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GL2 and coder apathy Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:27:55 +0000 Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Tony, This coder is not apathetic, just snowed under. I thought that after the first of this year, things would slow down form me. But, my current software business is growing faster than I can keep up with and there is no slowdown in sight. I have had to turn away several good oportunities, because I do not have the time to pursue them. I am now at the point in a small business where I need more help but do not have quite enough work to justify hiring someone. So I work days, nights and weekends to fill in the slack. Its those nights and weekends, I would use for GL2. So I will just lurk and look in from time to time, until my time frees up. -- Tom Willett tomw at pigstye.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:18:16 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] [Fwd: [Phrame-devel] Industrial Strength MVC] Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Vinny, Here is what I was referring to. --Tony -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Phrame-devel] Industrial Strength MVC Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:06:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Sweat To: Phrame Industrial Strength MVC is the sample article for the June issue of PHP|Architect. It is available for download at https://www.phparch.com/issuedata/2003/jun/sample.php, source code is also available for download from the same page. This article takes some of the simple Phrame examples much further, showing fully integrated database Model classes, using Smarty coupled with a Factory pattern for views and implements security in the Controller classes. I hope you find it useful. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. 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Today's Topics: 1. 6/12/2003 GL2 IRC conversation (Vincent Furia) 2. Re: 6/12/2003 GL2 IRC conversation (Blaine Lang) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:11:08 -0400 From: Vincent Furia To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] 6/12/2003 GL2 IRC conversation Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Tony and I sat down for about an hour in IRC today to talk about some GL2 development issues. The conversation covered three main points: 1. MVCnPHP (by Tony) vs. Phrame -- tabled until we get a more detailed look at the newest version of phrame. 2. A&A issues -- Tony is doing a lot of work on this, I think it will be really cool once completed. 3. ACLs -- talked about alternatives to the current geeklog *nix style permissions on stories, polls, etc. I've been tasked to make a small demo of the generic ACLs we discussed. Here is a link to the irc discussion. Sorry for the crappy formatting: http://furia.abtech.org/gl2/irc-12062003.html -Vinny --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Blaine Lang" To: Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] 6/12/2003 GL2 IRC conversation Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:35:28 -0400 Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Thanks Vinny - that was helpfull. I think we need to have regular IRC schedule to help bring everyone up to speed on where GL2 development is and the better understand the code design and develoment plan. They would only need to be every week or every other week - maybe early evening or early morning. Same idea and make the chat logs available. Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent Furia" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: [geeklog-devel] 6/12/2003 GL2 IRC conversation > Tony and I sat down for about an hour in IRC today to talk about some > GL2 development issues. The conversation covered three main points: > > 1. MVCnPHP (by Tony) vs. Phrame -- tabled until we get a more detailed > look at the newest version of phrame. > > 2. A&A issues -- Tony is doing a lot of work on this, I think it will > be really cool once completed. > > 3. ACLs -- talked about alternatives to the current geeklog *nix style > permissions on stories, polls, etc. I've been tasked to make a small > demo of the generic ACLs we discussed. > > Here is a link to the irc discussion. Sorry for the crappy formatting: > http://furia.abtech.org/gl2/irc-12062003.html > > -Vinny > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel > --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Sat Jun 14 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #162 - 1 msg Message-ID: <20030614170002.31962.13637.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 404.php (Blaine Lang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Blaine Lang" To: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:30:01 -0400 Subject: [geeklog-devel] 404.php Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C33268.4AF0ABA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never really gave this much attention before but I just moved my site = to a new server and was doing additional testing and used a .htaccess = directive to redirect to the 404.php. I found it was reporting the bad = page as 404.php. Doing some testing, I found that if I replaced = $HTTP_SERVER_VARS["REQUEST_URI"] with $HTTP_SERVER_VARS["DOCUMENT_URI"] = then it worked fine. Is this something unique with this webserver (ZEUS) or would using the = DOCUMENT_URI not be a better option? 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I never really gave this much attention = before but=20 I just moved my site to a new server and was doing additional testing = and used a=20 .htaccess directive to redirect to the 404.php. I found it was reporting = the bad=20 page as 404.php.

Doing some testing, I found that if I = replaced=20 $HTTP_SERVER_VARS["REQUEST_URI"] with $HTTP_SERVER_VARS["DOCUMENT_URI"] then it worked = fine.

Is this something unique with this = webserver (ZEUS)=20 or would using the DOCUMENT_URI not be a better option?

Cheers,

Blaine

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C33268.4AF0ABA0-- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Mon Jun 16 13:43:50 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:43:50 -0400 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] re:geeklog hack tutorial? Message-ID: Blaine, I was planning on integrated user and security authentication between products. Developing a full plugin is probably beyond my time limits for now.....but you never know. I will check out your 4images integration. Nice suggestion........ And I did look at the Geeklog Plugin guide. Its helpful, but most of the information there I am sort of familiar with from just nearly a year using Geeklog, etc. I guess I will have to just look at a working example (4images) and reverse engineer it! If I can.....heh heh. Luke -------------------------------------------------- Original Message: To: Subject: Re: [geeklog-modules] geeklog hack tutorial? Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:58:53 -0400 From: geeklog-modules-admin at lists.geeklog.net Reply-To: geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net Luke, Have you checked out the plugin developers guide. It's referenced on the = main geeklog.net site - upper left block. What level of integration are you trying to achieve? - integrated user and security authentication between products: Check = out the 4images integration - integrated look, wrapping geeklog around the OSCommerce app - Full plugin level integration (user, security, menu, header/footer, = search install/de-install etc ...) 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RE: Comments to templates (Dirk Haun) 5. Geeklog2 -- ACLs (Vincent Furia) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:23:37 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Subject: [geeklog-devel] Comments to templates Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Moving the hard-coded HTML for the comments to template files has been a pet peeve of mine over the course of 1.3.8 development. However, so far I have been unsuccessful to come up with an implementation that I liked. And today, in a case of extreme stupidity, I deleted my latest attempt. No backups, of course ... So, I'm on the verge of giving up on this for the 1.3.8 release. The code in CVS has the comment bar and the outer tables for the comments section in template files (comment/commentbar.thtml and comment/ startcomment.thtml) but the actual comment code is still using hard-coded HTML. It's not what I had in mind, but it's better than nothing ... This has been the major showstopper for a 1.3.8 release, so unless someone else wants to give it a try, I will now concentrate on the outstanding issues like - some code changes for more flexibility in themes (Hi Simon) - updating documentation - possibly rearranging contents of config.php yet again (moving those settings that you need to change to get a site up and running to the top of the file) - some code reviews here and there And then there's the search ... Tony? bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://www.haun.info/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:32:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Comments to templates From: Rob Griffiths To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 03:23 PM, Dirk Haun wrote: > And then there's the search ... Tony? Just as an FYI; the project I talked about a while back is now underway -- I have my site and database files with a third party who is updating the search functionality to be much more robust. I expect it will be done within two or three weeks (I don't think I'm being charged enough to be right at the top of their priority list), but when I get the code back, I'll distribute it to Dirk, Tony, etc. I'm not sure how much work it will take to integrate it into the standard Geeklog release, but I'll leave it up to you guys to use, trash, whatever... As a total aside, Geeklog is covered in this month's issue of Macworld magazine. They review a number of (sigh) blogs, and include Geeklog (spelled GeekLog) in the selection. In short, they rated it high for security, multi-author support, and threaded comments, but docked it for difficulty of install and lack of documentation... -rob. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "LIMBURG, Mark" To: "'geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net'" Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Comments to templates Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:54:32 +0930 Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Howdy > Moving the hard-coded HTML for the comments to template files has been a > pet peeve of mine over the course of 1.3.8 development. However, so far I > have been unsuccessful to come up with an implementation that I liked. One idea I had was to use the template class from phpBB2 - which is a variation on the same library we grabbed ours from. As it standands, I'm pretty sure it could be dropped right into GL1 with a minimum of fuss, as it supports the way we currently do themes (as in straight replacement of {placeholder} variables. In addition, it also supports a simple form of flow control and template blocks. I am *offically* putting my hand up (as an option) to bring GL1 across to this template class, as well as finish converting all hardcoded HTML into templates and move the code to use the flow control and block system. Lots of good things flow down from this. Now for the bad news ... if I were to do this, this would break existing templates. To help bring a resolution to this issue, I would a) convert all the core templates across to the new system, b) take requests from any and all comers to convert their theme to the new standard, and c) educate any and all on the new process of creating themes. Indeed, all the documentation that phpBB2 have done could be leveraged as well as anything I write. I *really* want to do this ... as you all pretty much know, I've wanted to do something along these lines for a long time. As a theme developer (he says putting on his Theme Author hat), moving to this type of environment makes life easier and can do more. If I were to go ahead with this, I would grab a copy of GL1 from CVS, do the work to bring it across, and then a) place a working copy of the new codeset on my website, and b) provide the codebase for the dev team to review BEFORE it goes into CVS. Why go all the way and establish flow control and blocks, just to get rid of static html? Because a lot of the hardcoded html performs block type returns *and* because if I'm going to delve into the code, I may as well do it right the first time. Thoughts? Post them to the list ... Regards Mark Limburg Operations Support Team Leader Information Services BAE SYSTEMS Australia --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Comments to templates Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:14:13 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net LIMBURG, Mark wrote: >Now for the bad news ... if I were to do this, this would break existing >templates. To help bring a resolution to this issue, I would a) convert all >the core templates across to the new system, b) take requests from any and >all comers to convert their theme to the new standard So you are volunteering to help out hundreds of site owners who all want to upgrade their sites to that new version at the same time? Sorry Mark, this is just not going to work. Also, it's not clear if replacing the template engine would actually help here. The comment code is recursive and making sure tags are properly closed and nested is not trivial. I'd suggest you have a look at it ... >I *really* want to do this ... as you all pretty much know, I've wanted to >do something along these lines for a long time. Yes, I know. And I seem to remember that we came to the conclusion that replacing the template system with something that is not compatible is not an option. If you can find something that is compatible with what we're using now, then that would be worth considering. But switching to an incompatible engine would just cause too much confusion and frustration. The changes in CVS will cause enough problems already (as we know from experiences with the theme changes in 1.3.6 - and our user base has grown substantially since then, including lots of people who are not all that tech-savvy). bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://www.macosx-faq.de/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:27:39 -0400 From: Vincent Furia To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog2 -- ACLs Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net THE SYSTEM For Geeklog2, I propose expanding the existing unix-like item permission system into a full fledged ACL system. The sql below (created for MySQL) describes two tables and some data used to demonstrate some sample queries. The data loaded below includes three 'items' (which, in the context of geeklog, could be articles, polls, links, etc). It also contains two users: 1, 2 and two groups: 1, 2. A couple of important things to note about these tables. First, no permissions data is kept within the items table. Second, 'item' is a foreign key within the acl table that links to 'item' in the items table. I've choosen to use the following the access rights, each right represented by one bit in a bit field. List - 1: The user has permission to list this item. Read - 2: The user has permission to read or view this item. Write - 4: The user has permission to append or edit this item. Delete - 8: The user has permission to delete or remove this item. Admin - 16: The user has permission to controll access to this item. These rights are just an initial idea of the rights usually associated with ACLs. Of course these rights should be edited and/or added to. To make the manipulation of the rights easier, we can assign a php constant to each access level. These constants then can be bitwise And'd (&) or Or'd (|) to produce complex set of permissions. Below I will refer to these constants as LIST, READ, WRITE, DELETE, ADMIN. I will also define the composite acess levels: LOOK as (LIST & READ); EDIT as (LOOK & WRITE & DELETE); OWNER as (EDIT & ADMIN). HOW IT WILL WORK In the code: Implementing look-ups using this system is pretty straight forward. For instance, to list all the items that a user has LOOK access to, I'd use the following query: SELECT items.* FROM acl, items WHERE items.item = acl.item AND ((acl.uid = OR acl.gid IN ()) AND (acl.access & LOOK)) GROUP BY items.item; To get all the access rights a user has for an item, use this: SELECT BIT_OR(acl.access), items.item FROM acl, items WHERE items.item = acl.item AND items.item = AND (acl.uid = OR acl.gid IN ( Geeklog has, since its inception, been a leader in security among peer software. Geeklog's access control system in particular is the most powerfull of any competing software [that I know of]. To maintain this dominance and the advantages of the reputation that goes with it, I think it is necessary to expand beyond the status quo and set a new bar for security. I believe ACLs can get us there. Finally, the 'coolness' factor. ACLs will be fun to implement and provide a set of managable challenges that will keep us developers interested (well, certainly myself). Also we'll really be taking advantage of the power that relational databases provide. FUTURE EXPANSION What I have described above (and below in the SQL) is a fairly basic implementation of ACLs. To have a more complex implementation, and hence finer control over access to items, it would be possible to add a "negative rights table". This table would be used, once access rights for a user (and the groups he is a member of) is determined to afterwards limit that users access based on his user id and group memberships. One example of usefullness for this is if you have a group you want to grant access to item A, but there is a member of that group (user 1) that you don't want to have the same access. You could reduce that users access by adding the user and the access you wish to restrict to the "negative rights table". The complexity of implementing this, in addition to the basic ACL tasks described above makes me hesitant to make this part of the initial requirements/release of GL2. However, adding it in the future would be possible without side effects to the permissions (ACLs) on items that would be established prior to the negative rights implementation and release. CONCLUSION I encourage feed-back. Even simply 'yea, nay' type feedback would be helpfull. But suggestions to improve or refine this schema for access control would be especially welcome. I hope, within the next week, to take this post (appended with any responses) and post to geeklog.net under the Geeklog2 topic. So please take a few minutes in the next couple days (the sooner the better) to grok and respond. Thanks, Vinny P.S. I looked around the web for a decent, generic description of what an ACL does. My googling only came up with links to cisco, linux and afs implementations (and one php implementation) of ACLs. If someone can find a generic link and post it, I'd be appreciative. ----BEGIN FILE ACL.SQL---- CREATE TABLE acl ( id mediumint(8) AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, item varchar(20) NOT NULL, uid mediumint(8), gid mediumint(8), access smallint(8) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, INDEX item_idx (item), INDEX uid_idx (uid), INDEX gui_idx (gid) ); CREATE TABLE items ( id mediumint(8) AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, item varchar(20) UNIQUE NOT NULL, data text ); INSERT INTO items (item, data) VALUES ('one', 'this is just an exmple'); INSERT INTO items (item, data) VALUES ('two', 'this is just another exmple'); INSERT INTO items (item, data) VALUES ('three', 'this is just one more exmple'); INSERT INTO acl (item, uid, access) VALUES ('one', 1, 15); INSERT INTO acl (item, uid, access) VALUES ('two', 1, 15); INSERT INTO acl (item, uid, access) VALUES ('one', 2, 15); INSERT INTO acl (item, uid, access) VALUES ('three', 3, 15); INSERT INTO acl (item, gid, access) VALUES ('one', 1, 5); INSERT INTO acl (item, gid, access) VALUES ('two', 1, 5); INSERT INTO acl (item, gid, access) VALUES ('three', 1, 5); INSERT INTO acl (item, gid, access) VALUES ('two', 2, 1); ----END FILE ACL.SQL---- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Wed Jun 18 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #164 - 10 msgs Message-ID: <20030618170002.4158.1469.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. gforge up (Tony Bibbs) 2. Re: gforge up (Dwight Trumbower) 3. Re: gforge up (Tony Bibbs) 4. RE: Comments to templates (LIMBURG, Mark) 5. Re: gforge up (Tony Bibbs) 6. gforge cont'd (Mark L. please read too) (Tony Bibbs) 7. Re: gforge up (Dirk Haun) 8. Re: gforge up (Dirk Haun) 9. Re: gforge up (Tony Bibbs) 10. Re: GL2 and coder apathy (Tony Bibbs) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:13:43 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] gforge up Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Hey, I have gforge installed at http://project2.geeklog.net. Dirk, if I could have you create an acccount and email me your username/password, I will set you up as an admin and we'll see if they've fixed enough bugs to get off of SF.net altogether. I havne't read much on their progress but I can say that they've been damn busy. Oh, FYI, I already created a Geeklog 2 project and if our initial tests show it is stable enough we can have third party GL products hosted there as well. --Tony --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:26:06 -0500 To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net From: Dwight Trumbower Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] gforge up Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Are you going to let people see the project? At 03:13 PM 6/17/2003, you wrote: >Hey, I have gforge installed at http://project2.geeklog.net. Dirk, if I >could have you create an acccount and email me your username/password, I >will set you up as an admin and we'll see if they've fixed enough bugs to >get off of SF.net altogether. I havne't read much on their progress but I >can say that they've been damn busy. > >Oh, FYI, I already created a Geeklog 2 project and if our initial tests >show it is stable enough we can have third party GL products hosted there >as well. > >--Tony > >_______________________________________________ >geeklog-devel mailing list >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel > --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:04:42 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] gforge up Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://project2.geeklog.net/projects/geeklog2/ until I get time to update the home page. --Tony Dwight Trumbower wrote: > Are you going to let people see the project? > > > At 03:13 PM 6/17/2003, you wrote: > >> Hey, I have gforge installed at http://project2.geeklog.net. Dirk, if >> I could have you create an acccount and email me your >> username/password, I will set you up as an admin and we'll see if >> they've fixed enough bugs to get off of SF.net altogether. I havne't >> read much on their progress but I can say that they've been damn busy. >> >> Oh, FYI, I already created a Geeklog 2 project and if our initial >> tests show it is stable enough we can have third party GL products >> hosted there as well. >> >> --Tony >> >> _______________________________________________ >> geeklog-devel mailing list >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "LIMBURG, Mark" To: "'geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net'" Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Comments to templates Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:08:26 +0930 Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Howdy > So you are volunteering to help out hundreds of site owners who all want > to upgrade their sites to that new version at the same time? 90% of these changes are trivial. I could macro most of them. So, yes. > Also, it's not clear if replacing the template engine would actually help > here. The comment code is recursive and making sure tags are properly > closed and nested is not trivial. I'd suggest you have a look at it ... Dirk, I have had a look at it. I looked into doing this when we moved from 1.2 remember. The whole point of shifting to a block based templating system fixes this issue as you alter the code to return single/multiple blocks within wrappers, all of which can be nested. This FIXES this issue. Think about how recursive calcualting and displaying a forum is, which is why phpBB2 went down this path. > Yes, I know. And I seem to remember that we came to the conclusion that > replacing the template system with something that is not compatible is > not an option. I fully understand where you're coming from, but I must disagree. It *IS* an option; it is just not an easy one. I believe I offered a solution to a problem which currently has no other solution, a problem which has haunted the project since we half-implemented our first template system. And until we bite the bullet and accept that something as serious as the way we display a site is fixed, it will continue to hamper us - both as site owners and as developers. I'll shut up now, but I can't help wonder how not fixing this problem will help - painful as it is. Regards Mark Limburg Operations Support Team Leader Information Services BAE SYSTEMS Australia --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:02:24 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] gforge up Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net I absolutely agree. Actually, if you looked at the Geeklog 2 project I was trying to enter in some real data in the task section (btw, the gantt chart stuff is sweet). I have set up your account as an admin so you should be able to do testing with real data. --Tony Dirk Haun wrote: > Tony, > > >>Dirk, if I >>could have you create an acccount and email me your username/password, I >>will set you up as an admin and we'll see if they've fixed enough bugs >>to get off of SF.net altogether. > > > My username is "dhaun", as usual :-) > > > >>Oh, FYI, I already created a Geeklog 2 project and if our initial tests >>show it is stable enough we can have third party GL products hosted >>there as well. > > > Wouldn't it make more sense to test it on some real data, i.e. set up a > Geeklog 1 project and move some of the bug reports over from sf.net? Or > should I just play around with it a bit and you're resetting the database > should we decide to stay with it? > > bye, Dirk > > --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:38:37 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] gforge cont'd (Mark L. please read too) Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Vinny and Dwight, I have set you both up on the Geeklog 2 project. On "My Page" you should see it. I hope to get more tasks entered in so that a to-do list is generated for you both (myself included) Mark, get signed up and let me know when you are done and I can get you started as well. --Tony --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] gforge up Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:21:10 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Tony Bibbs wrote: >I have set up your account as an admin so you should be able to do >testing with real data. Well, I'm not too impressed. The first bug report I tried to enter resulted in ERROR Artifact: ... and that was all :-( bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://mypod.de/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] gforge up Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:35:36 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net I wrote: >ERROR > >Artifact: > >... and that was all :-( It doesn't seem to like single quotes ... Tony, any options for this? bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:35:52 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] gforge up Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net i noticed a bug sitewide, any ' will kill the save. Thus "don't" will not work. I'm not sure if it is a PHP setting they expect or what. I just added one OK. --Tony Dirk Haun wrote: > Tony Bibbs wrote: > > >>I have set up your account as an admin so you should be able to do >>testing with real data. > > > Well, I'm not too impressed. The first bug report I tried to enter resulted in > > ERROR > > Artifact: > > ... and that was all :-( > > bye, Dirk > > --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:13:21 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GL2 and coder apathy Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Mark, check your email, you should join http://project2.geeklog.net (if the DNS doesn't work please wait a day or so) --Tony LIMBURG, Mark wrote: > Howdy > > I won't bother to quote anyone, I'm sure we all read the list. > > I got out of core GL coding because it was over my head - simple as that. > GL1.3.x I can understand, and although I had a bunch of different opinions > on what and how to implement parts of GL, we still worked together and > pretty well I might add. This was why I was interested in the 1.3.x > codebase. > > I am HIGHLY interested in the 2.x codebase, but I just don't get it. I've > tried to read it a few times, and I get lost in the methodology and object > level coding. It's not something I've done before, at all .. so it's a > little hard to feel that I can make a contribution. I really wish I could, > as although I've been playing with tikiwiki and phpbb2, I do think GL2 has > the best aim on what is needed and how to get there. As such, I've reverted > into lurk mode, hoping GL2 gets to the point where I *can* help out ... with > themes, modules, and the whole user interface issue. > > I *really* want to help, I just don't know how ... > > Mark Limburg > > Operations Support Team Leader > Information Services > BAE SYSTEMS Australia > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Thu Jun 19 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #165 - 1 msg Message-ID: <20030619170002.11974.40898.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. gforge and cvs support (Tony Bibbs) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:42:26 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] gforge and cvs support Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net FYI, I will probably not include the automated CVS support into Gforge. They recommend running CVS seperate from the rest of the site because of the danger of the cron scripts. You can get around that if you manage CVS manually. Or, if you prefer, I do have dual Pentium Pro machine that could be RAID5'd that is doing nothing for CVS. It wouldn't take much to get it up and running. For clarity, gForge supports automatic repository creation and cvs viewer integration. Right now they require cvsweb but I am looking into hacking support for Chora since I prefer PHP over perl --Tony --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Sat Jun 21 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #166 - 1 msg Message-ID: <20030621170002.26422.78025.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. ACL follow-up (Tony Bibbs) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:20:05 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] ACL follow-up Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Vinny, I think I'm right on with you on the ACL system. However, one point of disagreement is that notion you support that EDIT + ADMIN = OWNER. That isn't true, we should track the creator of the item as the owner. Ok, wait, now that I actually read the SQL you gave, you do have a uid field so I have to assume you are tracking it as I suggested. Never mind ;-) Now, to adequately address the real possibility of having multiple ACL's let me give a high level objet model: ACL_Factory: Class that creates ACL libraries on the fly. The specific ACL system to use is determined by a config.php setting. All this object does is instantiate the right ACL system and returns it. BaseACL: Abstract class (not instantiated directly) that all ACL systems inherit from. The methods here would be similar to the ones found in GL 1.3.x's lib-security.php (i.e. getUserGroups, inGroup, hasAccess, getUserPermissions, etc). Default_ACL: This extends BaseACL by implementing the system that Vinny is talking about. For those who care, using the factory design pattern now lets you implement any ACL system All it has to do is inherit from BaseACL. The data model vinny is proposing seems to me to be generic enough to handle any ACL system. Only thing I am fuzzy on is how you plan on tying people to groups and groups to groups? The same way as 1.3.x does? --Tony Vinny's Original Post ------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:27:39 -0400 From: Vincent Furia To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog2 -- ACLs Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net THE SYSTEM For Geeklog2, I propose expanding the existing unix-like item permission system into a full fledged ACL system. The sql below (created for MySQL) describes two tables and some data used to demonstrate some sample queries. The data loaded below includes three 'items' (which, in the context of geeklog, could be articles, polls, links, etc). It also contains two users: 1, 2 and two groups: 1, 2. A couple of important things to note about these tables. First, no permissions data is kept within the items table. Second, 'item' is a foreign key within the acl table that links to 'item' in the items table. I've choosen to use the following the access rights, each right represented by one bit in a bit field. List - 1: The user has permission to list this item. Read - 2: The user has permission to read or view this item. Write - 4: The user has permission to append or edit this item. Delete - 8: The user has permission to delete or remove this item. Admin - 16: The user has permission to controll access to this item. These rights are just an initial idea of the rights usually associated with ACLs. Of course these rights should be edited and/or added to. To make the manipulation of the rights easier, we can assign a php constant to each access level. These constants then can be bitwise And'd (&) or Or'd (|) to produce complex set of permissions. Below I will refer to these constants as LIST, READ, WRITE, DELETE, ADMIN. I will also define the composite acess levels: LOOK as (LIST & READ); EDIT as (LOOK & WRITE & DELETE); OWNER as (EDIT & ADMIN). HOW IT WILL WORK In the code: Implementing look-ups using this system is pretty straight forward. For instance, to list all the items that a user has LOOK access to, I'd use the following query: SELECT items.* FROM acl, items WHERE items.item = acl.item AND ((acl.uid = OR acl.gid IN ()) AND (acl.access & LOOK)) GROUP BY items.item; To get all the access rights a user has for an item, use this: SELECT BIT_OR(acl.access), items.item FROM acl, items WHERE items.item = acl.item AND items.item = AND (acl.uid = OR acl.gid IN ( Geeklog has, since its inception, been a leader in security among peer software. Geeklog's access control system in particular is the most powerfull of any competing software [that I know of]. To maintain this dominance and the advantages of the reputation that goes with it, I think it is necessary to expand beyond the status quo and set a new bar for security. I believe ACLs can get us there. Finally, the 'coolness' factor. ACLs will be fun to implement and provide a set of managable challenges that will keep us developers interested (well, certainly myself). Also we'll really be taking advantage of the power that relational databases provide. FUTURE EXPANSION What I have described above (and below in the SQL) is a fairly basic implementation of ACLs. To have a more complex implementation, and hence finer control over access to items, it would be possible to add a "negative rights table". This table would be used, once access rights for a user (and the groups he is a member of) is determined to afterwards limit that users access based on his user id and group memberships. One example of usefullness for this is if you have a group you want to grant access to item A, but there is a member of that group (user 1) that you don't want to have the same access. You could reduce that users access by adding the user and the access you wish to restrict to the "negative rights table". The complexity of implementing this, in addition to the basic ACL tasks described above makes me hesitant to make this part of the initial requirements/release of GL2. However, adding it in the future would be possible without side effects to the permissions (ACLs) on items that would be established prior to the negative rights implementation and release. CONCLUSION I encourage feed-back. Even simply 'yea, nay' type feedback would be helpfull. But suggestions to improve or refine this schema for access control would be especially welcome. I hope, within the next week, to take this post (appended with any responses) and post to geeklog.net under the Geeklog2 topic. So please take a few minutes in the next couple days (the sooner the better) to grok and respond. Thanks, Vinny P.S. I looked around the web for a decent, generic description of what an ACL does. My googling only came up with links to cisco, linux and afs implementations (and one php implementation) of ACLs. If someone can find a generic link and post it, I'd be appreciative. ----BEGIN FILE ACL.SQL---- CREATE TABLE acl ( id mediumint(8) AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, item varchar(20) NOT NULL, uid mediumint(8), gid mediumint(8), access smallint(8) NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, INDEX item_idx (item), INDEX uid_idx (uid), INDEX gui_idx (gid) ); CREATE TABLE items ( id mediumint(8) AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, item varchar(20) UNIQUE NOT NULL, data text ); INSERT INTO items (item, data) VALUES ('one', 'this is just an exmple'); INSERT INTO items (item, data) VALUES ('two', 'this is just another exmple'); INSERT INTO items (item, data) VALUES ('three', 'this is just one more exmple'); INSERT INTO acl (item, uid, access) VALUES ('one', 1, 15); INSERT INTO acl (item, uid, access) VALUES ('two', 1, 15); INSERT INTO acl (item, uid, access) VALUES ('one', 2, 15); INSERT INTO acl (item, uid, access) VALUES ('three', 3, 15); INSERT INTO acl (item, gid, access) VALUES ('one', 1, 5); INSERT INTO acl (item, gid, access) VALUES ('two', 1, 5); INSERT INTO acl (item, gid, access) VALUES ('three', 1, 5); INSERT INTO acl (item, gid, access) VALUES ('two', 2, 1); ----END FILE ACL.SQL---- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Mon Jun 23 13:00:03 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:00:03 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #167 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <20030623170003.16642.97060.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. [Fwd: MacWorld article] (Tony Bibbs) 2. RE: [Fwd: MacWorld article] (Jason Whittenburg) 3. Re: [Fwd: MacWorld article] (Tony Bibbs) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:00:22 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: Geeklog Subject: [geeklog-devel] [Fwd: MacWorld article] Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net -------- Original Message -------- Subject: MacWorld article Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:36:50 -0700 From: Kurt von Finck To: tony at tonybibbs.com CC: Marc von Ahn Tony, If Scot already e-mailed this to you, sorry for the dupe. His MacWorld blogging article is on newsstands, and an abridged form (no sidebars, graphics etc etc) can be found at http://www.macworld.com/2003/07/features/putweblogstowork/ Two really nice quotes: "To help you find the system that best matches your needs, we examined some important factors involved in buying decisions, and then we applied them to seven of the top Weblog systems: Pyra Labs' Blogger Pro, the open-source GeekLog 1.3.7, Lifli Software's iBlog 1.2.5, the open-source LiveJournal, Six Apart's Movable Type 2.63, pMachine's pMachine Pro 2.2.1, and UserLand Software's Radio 8.0. With the exception of GeekLog (which is completely free) and Radio (which costs $40 per year), all of these tools are available in free and paid versions." Nice this is in the first couple of paragraphs. The price may make up some people's minds in the first 2 minutes! :) "If building a thriving online community is your main priority, GeekLog and LiveJournal offer the fullest set of collaborative features. Of the two, GeekLog is more powerful and offers more features, but it also requires more technical skill to operate." I dunno if you have an OSX dev environment but it might be wise to think about one. Here they come... :) ./k ----- Kurt von Finck Community Director TechTracker Inc. 55 SW Yamhill - Third Floor Portland, OR 97204 503 227 2571 x271 kvonfinck at techtracker.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jason Whittenburg" To: Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] [Fwd: MacWorld article] Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:22:44 -0400 Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C33969.010C2BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Here is my install wizard I wrote a while back. It's 90% done. If = someone wants to finish it, we could eliminate part of that "Hard to set up" = quote! :-) -Jason --=20 Jason Whittenburg, Sr Web: http://jasonwhittenburg.com AIM: jwhitten00 ICQ: 9012034 MSN: jason at whittenburgs.com=20 -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:00 AM To: Geeklog -------- Original Message -------- Subject: MacWorld article Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:36:50 -0700 From: Kurt von Finck To: tony at tonybibbs.com CC: Marc von Ahn Tony, If Scot already e-mailed this to you, sorry for the dupe. His MacWorld blogging article is on newsstands, and an abridged form (no sidebars, graphics etc etc) can be found at http://www.macworld.com/2003/07/features/putweblogstowork/ Two really nice quotes: "To help you find the system that best matches your needs, we examined = some important factors involved in buying decisions, and then we applied them = to seven of the top Weblog systems: Pyra Labs' Blogger Pro, the open-source GeekLog 1.3.7, Lifli Software's iBlog 1.2.5, the open-source = LiveJournal, Six Apart's Movable Type 2.63, pMachine's pMachine Pro 2.2.1, and = UserLand Software's Radio 8.0. With the exception of GeekLog (which is completely free) and Radio (which costs $40 per year), all of these tools are = available in free and paid versions." Nice this is in the first couple of paragraphs. The price may make up = some people's minds in the first 2 minutes! :) "If building a thriving online community is your main priority, GeekLog = and LiveJournal offer the fullest set of collaborative features. Of the two, GeekLog is more powerful and offers more features, but it also requires = more technical skill to operate." I dunno if you have an OSX dev environment but it might be wise to think about one. Here they come... :) ./k ----- Kurt von Finck Community Director TechTracker Inc. 55 SW Yamhill - Third Floor Portland, OR 97204 503 227 2571 x271 kvonfinck at techtracker.com _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C33969.010C2BB0 Content-Type: a/octet-stream; name="install-geeklog.php" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="install-geeklog.php" = | # = +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ # # $Id: $ // Constants for the installer define("VERSION","1.3.7sr1"); define("URL","http://newsgeeks.com/"); // Setup needed PHP settings set_time_limit(0); ob_implicit_flush(true); ini_set('track_errors', true); error_reporting(E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE); define('WINDOWS', (substr(PHP_OS, 0, 3) =3D=3D 'WIN')); if ($_ENV['HTTP_PROXY']) { $http_proxy =3D $_ENV['HTTP_PROXY']; } elseif ($_ENV['http_proxy']) { $http_proxy =3D $_ENV['http_proxy']; } else { $http_proxy =3D ''; } if (!$_REQUEST["step"]) { echo "\n\nGeekLog Installer for version " . 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\n"; DB_query(current($_DATA)); next($_DATA); } return true; // Done with installation...redirect to success page echo ''; =20 } // }}} ?> ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C33969.010C2BB0-- --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:29:12 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] [Fwd: MacWorld article] Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Hey Dirk, any reason we shouldn't include this in one of the upcoming releases? Not 1.3.8 but maybe 1.3.9? --Tony Jason Whittenburg wrote: > > Here is my install wizard I wrote a while back. It's 90% done. If someone > wants to finish it, we could eliminate part of that "Hard to set up" quote! > :-) > > -Jason > --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Tue Jun 24 13:00:05 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:00:05 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #168 - 8 msgs Message-ID: <20030624170005.25534.81221.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Getting there ... (Dirk Haun) 2. Re: Getting there ... (Tony Bibbs) 3. Re: ACL follow-up (Vincent Furia) 4. Re: ACL follow-up (Tony Bibbs) 5. Re: Getting there ... (Dirk Haun) 6. Re: Getting there ... (Simon lord) 7. Re: ACL follow-up (Dwight Trumbower) 8. Re: Getting there ... (Dirk Haun) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:18:34 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Subject: [geeklog-devel] Getting there ... Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Okay, I think we're finally getting there ... some more testing, updating the documentation - and 1.3.8rc1 would finally be ready to go. Tony, am I right in assuming that we're just leaving search as it is in CVS right now? Deferring any further changes to 1.3.9 - and maybe picking up whatever Rob comes up with until then ... Since GForge is looking good, I think this would be a good time to switch over from Sourceforge. So any bug reports and feature request for 1.3.8rc1 could already go into our GForge installation. Okay? Anything else that I'm missing? bye, Dirk P.S. Notice that I did not give any timeframe ;-) -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://www.tinyweb.de/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:25:42 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Getting there ... Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Yeah, search is feature complete with 1.3.7x. Was highlighting in .7? If not, I think it is good enought to be included in .8, I just need to chase down two bugs that Rob found and mvohnan subsequently fixed. I will cut over the gforge site ASAP. I need to get a different image for the home page, add a new GL logo (does Simon have one?) and update some of the wording. I will let you know when my updates are done. --Tony Dirk Haun wrote: > Okay, I think we're finally getting there ... some more testing, updating > the documentation - and 1.3.8rc1 would finally be ready to go. > > Tony, am I right in assuming that we're just leaving search as it is in > CVS right now? Deferring any further changes to 1.3.9 - and maybe picking > up whatever Rob comes up with until then ... > > Since GForge is looking good, I think this would be a good time to switch > over from Sourceforge. So any bug reports and feature request for > 1.3.8rc1 could already go into our GForge installation. Okay? > > Anything else that I'm missing? > > bye, Dirk > > P.S. Notice that I did not give any timeframe ;-) > > --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:39:47 -0400 From: Vincent Furia To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] ACL follow-up Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Before I posted to all this to the web site. I just wanted to respond to Tony's input and questions and make sure no one else has anything else to say. If not I'll try to get this up on geeklog.net tomorrow. I'll embed furhter comments in Tony's email below: Tony Bibbs wrote: > Vinny, I think I'm right on with you on the ACL system. However, one > point of disagreement is that notion you support that EDIT + ADMIN = > OWNER. That isn't true, we should track the creator of the item as the > owner. Ok, wait, now that I actually read the SQL you gave, you do have > a uid field so I have to assume you are tracking it as I suggested. > Never mind ;-) > I think that "author" (the original creator of the item) should be stored by the item along with any other information. My reference to OWNER above is more like being the owner of a file under unix. The owner has a large amount of control over the file. The big difference is that this ACL scheme could support multiple owners for a single item. > Now, to adequately address the real possibility of having multiple ACL's > let me give a high level objet model: > > ACL_Factory: Class that creates ACL libraries on the fly. The specific > ACL system to use is determined by a config.php setting. All this > object does is instantiate the right ACL system and returns it. This might be over kill, a simple configuration variable pointing to the version of BaseACL you wish to use would probably be sufficient. But if you'd prefer to go this I don't see any obsticles. > > BaseACL: Abstract class (not instantiated directly) that all ACL systems > inherit from. The methods here would be similar to the ones found in GL > 1.3.x's lib-security.php (i.e. getUserGroups, inGroup, hasAccess, > getUserPermissions, etc). Always a good idea in OOP programming. > > Default_ACL: This extends BaseACL by implementing the system that Vinny > is talking about. Cool. > > For those who care, using the factory design pattern now lets you > implement any ACL system All it has to do is inherit from BaseACL. The > data model vinny is proposing seems to me to be generic enough to handle > any ACL system. Only thing I am fuzzy on is how you plan on tying > people to groups and groups to groups? The same way as 1.3.x does? I was under the impression that the A&A module would handle getting the user and group info, however and where ever they may be stored. For whichever parts I'm wrong on this, current 1.3.x handling of group membership would be sufficient. I might add that a well though out set of access rights would mean we could get rid of about 75% of the 1.3.x "rights". The remaining rights (such as story.submit, comment.delete, etc) could be considered items under ACL control. > > --Tony > > --Vinny --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:46:00 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] ACL follow-up Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Right, when you log in, all the groups and permissions you have would go back to the calling application and stored in a user object that is persisted in the session. That said, the SEC_inGroup, SEC_hasAccess type functions are actually part of the A&A client only. The server is only concerned with returning the values for a given user on a given application. I think we are on the same page here. I will start making the changes. Dwight, you may want to update the datamodels accordingly (or do you want me to do it?). --Tony Vincent Furia wrote: > Before I posted to all this to the web site. I just wanted to respond > to Tony's input and questions and make sure no one else has anything > else to say. If not I'll try to get this up on geeklog.net tomorrow. > I'll embed furhter comments in Tony's email below: > > Tony Bibbs wrote: > >> Vinny, I think I'm right on with you on the ACL system. However, one >> point of disagreement is that notion you support that EDIT + ADMIN = >> OWNER. That isn't true, we should track the creator of the item as >> the owner. Ok, wait, now that I actually read the SQL you gave, you do >> have a uid field so I have to assume you are tracking it as I >> suggested. Never mind ;-) >> > I think that "author" (the original creator of the item) should be > stored by the item along with any other information. My reference to > OWNER above is more like being the owner of a file under unix. The > owner has a large amount of control over the file. The big difference > is that this ACL scheme could support multiple owners for a single item. > >> Now, to adequately address the real possibility of having multiple >> ACL's let me give a high level objet model: >> >> ACL_Factory: Class that creates ACL libraries on the fly. The >> specific ACL system to use is determined by a config.php setting. All >> this object does is instantiate the right ACL system and returns it. > > This might be over kill, a simple configuration variable pointing to the > version of BaseACL you wish to use would probably be sufficient. But if > you'd prefer to go this I don't see any obsticles. > >> >> BaseACL: Abstract class (not instantiated directly) that all ACL >> systems inherit from. The methods here would be similar to the ones >> found in GL 1.3.x's lib-security.php (i.e. getUserGroups, inGroup, >> hasAccess, getUserPermissions, etc). > > Always a good idea in OOP programming. > >> >> Default_ACL: This extends BaseACL by implementing the system that >> Vinny is talking about. > > Cool. > >> >> For those who care, using the factory design pattern now lets you >> implement any ACL system All it has to do is inherit from BaseACL. >> The data model vinny is proposing seems to me to be generic enough to >> handle any ACL system. Only thing I am fuzzy on is how you plan on >> tying people to groups and groups to groups? The same way as 1.3.x does? > > > I was under the impression that the A&A module would handle getting the > user and group info, however and where ever they may be stored. For > whichever parts I'm wrong on this, current 1.3.x handling of group > membership would be sufficient. I might add that a well though out set > of access rights would mean we could get rid of about 75% of the 1.3.x > "rights". The remaining rights (such as story.submit, comment.delete, > etc) could be considered items under ACL control. > >> >> --Tony >> >> > > --Vinny > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Getting there ... Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:48:24 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Tony Bibbs wrote: >Was highlighting in .7? No. I think the Clean and Gameserver themes are missing the CSS for the highlighting, but I can add that. >If not, I think it is good enought to be included in .8, I just need to >chase down two bugs that Rob found and mvohnan subsequently fixed. Yeah, I remember ... Okay, we need that, too. bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:06:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Getting there ... From: Simon lord To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net But that was just a hack wasn't it? That version did not have boolean searches etc. This is not the version Tony was working on and is partially implemented in CVS? On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 04:48 PM, Dirk Haun wrote: > Tony Bibbs wrote: > >> Was highlighting in .7? > > No. > > I think the Clean and Gameserver themes are missing the CSS for the > highlighting, but I can add that. > > >> If not, I think it is good enought to be included in .8, I just need >> to >> chase down two bugs that Rob found and mvohnan subsequently fixed. > > Yeah, I remember ... Okay, we need that, too. > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.haun-online.de/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > Sincerely, Simon --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:07:31 -0500 To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net From: Dwight Trumbower Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] ACL follow-up Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net I should be able to do it. Wednesday night I hope to be geeklog night. At 03:46 PM 6/23/2003, you wrote: >Right, when you log in, all the groups and permissions you have would go >back to the calling application and stored in a user object that is >persisted in the session. That said, the SEC_inGroup, SEC_hasAccess type >functions are actually part of the A&A client only. The server is only >concerned with returning the values for a given user on a given application. > >I think we are on the same page here. I will start making the >changes. Dwight, you may want to update the datamodels accordingly (or do >you want me to do it?). > >--Tony > >Vincent Furia wrote: >>Before I posted to all this to the web site. I just wanted to respond to >>Tony's input and questions and make sure no one else has anything else to >>say. If not I'll try to get this up on geeklog.net tomorrow. I'll embed >>furhter comments in Tony's email below: >>Tony Bibbs wrote: >> >>>Vinny, I think I'm right on with you on the ACL system. However, one >>>point of disagreement is that notion you support that EDIT + ADMIN = >>>OWNER. That isn't true, we should track the creator of the item as the >>>owner. Ok, wait, now that I actually read the SQL you gave, you do have >>>a uid field so I have to assume you are tracking it as I suggested. >>>Never mind ;-) >>I think that "author" (the original creator of the item) should be stored >>by the item along with any other information. My reference to OWNER >>above is more like being the owner of a file under unix. The owner has a >>large amount of control over the file. The big difference is that this >>ACL scheme could support multiple owners for a single item. >> >>>Now, to adequately address the real possibility of having multiple ACL's >>>let me give a high level objet model: >>> >>>ACL_Factory: Class that creates ACL libraries on the fly. The specific >>>ACL system to use is determined by a config.php setting. All this >>>object does is instantiate the right ACL system and returns it. >>This might be over kill, a simple configuration variable pointing to the >>version of BaseACL you wish to use would probably be sufficient. But if >>you'd prefer to go this I don't see any obsticles. >> >>> >>>BaseACL: Abstract class (not instantiated directly) that all ACL systems >>>inherit from. The methods here would be similar to the ones found in GL >>>1.3.x's lib-security.php (i.e. getUserGroups, inGroup, hasAccess, >>>getUserPermissions, etc). >>Always a good idea in OOP programming. >> >>> >>>Default_ACL: This extends BaseACL by implementing the system that Vinny >>>is talking about. >>Cool. >> >>> >>>For those who care, using the factory design pattern now lets you >>>implement any ACL system All it has to do is inherit from BaseACL. >>>The data model vinny is proposing seems to me to be generic enough to >>>handle any ACL system. Only thing I am fuzzy on is how you plan on >>>tying people to groups and groups to groups? The same way as 1.3.x does? >> >>I was under the impression that the A&A module would handle getting the >>user and group info, however and where ever they may be stored. For >>whichever parts I'm wrong on this, current 1.3.x handling of group >>membership would be sufficient. I might add that a well though out set >>of access rights would mean we could get rid of about 75% of the 1.3.x >>"rights". The remaining rights (such as story.submit, comment.delete, >>etc) could be considered items under ACL control. >> >>> >>>--Tony >>> >>--Vinny >>_______________________________________________ >>geeklog-devel mailing list >>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel > >_______________________________________________ >geeklog-devel mailing list >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel > --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Dirk Haun" To: Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Getting there ... Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:32:15 +0200 Organization: Terra Software Systems Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Tony Bibbs wrote: >I will cut over the gforge site ASAP. I need to get a different image >for the home page, add a new GL logo (does Simon have one?) and update >some of the wording. Yeah, remove the GForge references from the sidebar as well as the "prodigy" from the page title. Also, new user registration emails refer to "prodigy" all over the place ... bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://www.macosx-faq.de/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Fri Jun 27 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #169 - 2 msgs Message-ID: <20030627170002.17740.32364.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Javascript Functions (Blaine Lang) 2. Re: Javascript Functions (Marc) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Blaine Lang" To: Cc: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:16:17 -0400 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Javascript Functions Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net What would be the recommended way to include Javascript functions in plugins? 1) Have users add the function to the template header.thtml file ? 2) Output it before calling COM_siteHeader - messes up the Tags and HTML 3) Echo out a then the JS script and - Messes up the HTML as well Whats the easiest and best way to support this ? - I suggest we come up with a way to extend COM_siteHeader so that it can be passed the name of a JS script to include as it's building the header page BTW: While looking at COM_siteHeader, I saw that there is the feature to replace the complete header with your own function. Neat - has anyone seen this implemented - maybe not because I believe it's broken. There is a problem is with this code - it's checking for a non-existing $_CONF variable $function = $_CONF['layout'] . '_siteHeader'; --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:53:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript Functions Cc: To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net From: Marc Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net I use the custom layout site header for VersionTracker (http://www.versiontracker.com). I did need to fix the variable call, but other than that it works like a charm. Go to the versiontracker site, select a product, all the feedback is served by GL. On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 07:16 PM, Blaine Lang wrote: > What would be the recommended way to include Javascript functions in > plugins? > > 1) Have users add the function to the template header.thtml file ? > 2) Output it before calling COM_siteHeader - messes up the Tags and > HTML > 3) Echo out a then the JS script and - Messes up the > HTML as > well > > Whats the easiest and best way to support this ? > - I suggest we come up with a way to extend COM_siteHeader so that it > can be > passed the name of a JS script to include as it's building the header > page > > BTW: > While looking at COM_siteHeader, I saw that there is the feature to > replace > the complete header with your own function. Neat - has anyone seen this > implemented - maybe not because I believe it's broken. > > There is a problem is with this code - it's checking for a non-existing > $_CONF variable > $function = $_CONF['layout'] . '_siteHeader'; > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Sat Jun 28 13:00:02 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #170 - 2 msgs Message-ID: <20030628170002.25698.88269.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. A&A (Tony Bibbs) 2. New Plugin API for extending Header information (Blaine Lang) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:54:33 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: Vincent Furia , Geeklog Development Subject: [geeklog-devel] A&A Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Vinny, I was thinking, while I'm poking around with the A&A service, you could probably start looking at just the client and figuring out what you will need to change to implement your ACL stuff on that end. I will make sure the service gets the groups and permissions to you. I think all the group, permission stuff on the client is probably fine as is, you just need to hack up the code pertaining security checks on the items. Sound good? Send any questions my way... --Tony --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Blaine Lang" To: , Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:46:44 -0400 Subject: [geeklog-devel] New Plugin API for extending Header information Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net We now have PLG_getHeaderCode as a function that is called in COM_siteHeader. Any plugins can now return information that will be added to the header.thtml in the {plg_headercode} section. Adding a check in your plugin function for the source of the script, can ensure we are only adding the extra information when needed. This is great to now easily and cleanly add JS functions but could be used to add other Meta Tags. Example of a plugin function --- CODE BEGINS --- /** * Returns the items for this plugin that should appear on the main menu */ function plugin_getHeaderCode_fmpro() { global $_CONF, $HTTP_SERVER_VARS; // Compare actual path to the plugin script that needs this extra Javascript and header code // Sort out any differences in directory slashes $ENV_PATH = strtolower(str_replace('\\', '/', $HTTP_SERVER_VARS['PATH_TRANSLATED'])); $pluginscript = strtolower(str_replace('\\', '/',$_CONF['path_html'] . 'fmpro/index.php')); if ( $ENV_PATH == $pluginscript) { return ''; } } --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Mon Jun 30 00:05:21 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:05:21 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] who's in charge of lib-plugins? Message-ID: <20030629230521.77b5b16d.steve@68k.org> hi guys, just wondering who was in charge of the plugins api, if there is anyone. the reason i'm asking is because i decided yesterday to make my 'whats_new_block' support general plugins (geekary in particular) but i didn't know if this was done before by someone else. i didn't see it done anywhere, except for the 'new downloads' php block you see on people's file mgt pages, so i went ahead and tried to logically build off the geeklog lib-plugins framework. it works rather nicely, so if you're interested i'd be happy to submit my work, i'm just worried that someone already did this, or was working in a different direction. please let me know. if you're curious, you can see it in action here: www.localsteve.cc and for the uber curious, here's a general description of how it's implemented as of now: * all comment-enabled plugins (any plugin where the 'plugin_commentsupport_type()' function returns true) are searched for new comments and linked to with a plugin-specific function that prints out the link. i called the link printing function plugin_commentURL_type() called by a general PLG_commentURL($type) function which does the whole callFunctionForOnePlugin() dealie. * any what's-new-block-enabled plugin that you want to appear in the what's new block (any plugin where the new 'plugin_whatsnewsupport_type()' function returns true) , will be searched for new items and linked to by a plugin-specific function that i called 'plugin_whatsnew_type()', again called by a general PLG_whatsNew($type) thingie dobber. any suggestions/comments/ideas/flames ? --steVe steve at 68k.org From geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net Mon Jun 30 13:00:01 2003 From: geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net (geeklog-devtalk-admin at lists.geeklog.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:00:01 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #171 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <20030630170001.14703.66072.Mailman@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net You can reach the person managing the list at geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. GL2 and PHP5 (Tony Bibbs) 2. Re: GL2 and PHP5 (Dwight Trumbower) 3. Re: GL2 and PHP5 (Tony Bibbs) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:43:48 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: Geeklog Development Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL2 and PHP5 Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Since PHP5 beta 1 is finally out, I think it is now safe to start coverting existing GL2 code over. I'm sure you have all seen the press but just in case go here: http://www.php.net/zend-engine-2.php Many missing OO features were added (abstract classes, private/protected properties and methods, exception handling, interfaces, etc). I believe it is pretty easy to to modify Apache's configuration file to use two versions of PHP (i.e. 4 for 1.3.x stuff and 5 for GL2 stuff). If any of you already have PHP5 installed I'd be interested to hear initial comments. --Tony --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:51:14 -0500 To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net From: Dwight Trumbower Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GL2 and PHP5 Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net When will PHP5 be ready for primetime? How fast will hosts, go to it? Seems a little risky to have GL2 based on a version of PHP that the masses won't be using. Dwight At 08:43 AM 6/30/2003, you wrote: >Since PHP5 beta 1 is finally out, I think it is now safe to start >coverting existing GL2 code over. I'm sure you have all seen the press >but just in case go here: > >http://www.php.net/zend-engine-2.php > >Many missing OO features were added (abstract classes, private/protected >properties and methods, exception handling, interfaces, etc). > >I believe it is pretty easy to to modify Apache's configuration file to >use two versions of PHP (i.e. 4 for 1.3.x stuff and 5 for GL2 stuff). > >If any of you already have PHP5 installed I'd be interested to hear >initial comments. > >--Tony > >_______________________________________________ >geeklog-devel mailing list >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel > --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:24:06 -0500 From: Tony Bibbs To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GL2 and PHP5 Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net Depends on how you look at it. IMHO, the programming advances in that engine and slow development rate of GL2 makes it a prime candidate. I think it's safe to say GL will be lucky to be in beta by the time PHP5 is out stably. Also, when you factor in the fact that 1.3.x is around still I think we are OK. Any other opinions? --Tony Dwight Trumbower wrote: > When will PHP5 be ready for primetime? > How fast will hosts, go to it? > > Seems a little risky to have GL2 based on a version of PHP that the > masses won't be using. > > Dwight > > > > At 08:43 AM 6/30/2003, you wrote: > >> Since PHP5 beta 1 is finally out, I think it is now safe to start >> coverting existing GL2 code over. I'm sure you have all seen the >> press but just in case go here: >> >> http://www.php.net/zend-engine-2.php >> >> Many missing OO features were added (abstract classes, >> private/protected properties and methods, exception handling, >> interfaces, etc). >> >> I believe it is pretty easy to to modify Apache's configuration file >> to use two versions of PHP (i.e. 4 for 1.3.x stuff and 5 for GL2 stuff). >> >> If any of you already have PHP5 installed I'd be interested to hear >> initial comments. >> >> --Tony >> >> _______________________________________________ >> geeklog-devel mailing list >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel --__--__-- _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel End of geeklog-devel Digest