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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Anti Spam Features (Tony Bibbs)
   2. Re: Anti Spam Features (Dirk Haun)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:09:49 -0600
From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Anti Spam Features
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

No actually that isn't quite what I was getting at.  What you just said 
makes a lot of sense.

Vincent Furia wrote:

> Sorry, I wasn't too clear.  What I meant was to initially ban only 

> anonymous comments from an IP that is spamming the comments (with the 

> assumption most spammers won't go through the trouble of spamming).  

> This could be implmented on the first spam recieved and would hopefully 

> limit the trouble caused by spammers behind large proxies (like AOL).  

> If a spammer does register, then you can block by username/email.  And 

> if you have a really persistant, pain in the ass spammer, then you can 

> completely block by IP.  This way an admin can allow anonymous comments 

> generally, but block anonymous comments from specific IPs.

> 

> I'd also note that it may be a good idea to tie this in with Geeklog's 

> ability to send emails (i.e. a banned IP won't be able to submit 

> comments or send email to site users).

> 

> This may be exactly what you were already talking about, but I just 

> wanted to make sure I was clear on it.

> 

> -Vinny

> 

> Tony Bibbs wrote:

> 

>> Yeah, obviously you would start by banning anonymous comments.  What I 

>> was after is the more difficult use case of admins who want to allow 

>> anonymous comments yet prevent spam.  Good clarification though as, 

>> obviously, banning a username is much easier and reliable to do than 

>> an IP.

>>

>> Vincent Furia wrote:

>>

>>> One thing I'd recommend is rather than a total ban on an IP address, 

>>> at least initially, only ban anonymous users from posting comments.  

>>> Then you can ban from there based on email address/username.  And 

>>> then only as a last resort ban all comments from an IP address.

>>>

>>> -Vinny

>>>

>>> Tom Willett wrote:

>>>

>>>> Add the ip to the comments in geeklog and my ban plugin could easily 

>>>> handle the rest. All I would have to do is add the logic to check 

>>>> for the repeated spam comments.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -- 

>>>> Tom Willett

>>>> tomw at pigstye.net

>>>>

>>>> ---------- Original Message -----------

>>>> From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>

>>>> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

>>>> Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:09:17 -0600

>>>> Subject: [geeklog-devel] Anti Spam Features

>>>>

>>>>  

>>>>

>>>>> As noted in the forums of Geeklog.net it appears a growing trend is 

>>>>> the spamming of blogs.  With Geeklog a big player in this arena I 

>>>>> think we would be wise to start thinking up ways to implement anti-

>>>>> spam measures.

>>>>>

>>>>> I think the start would be to be able to mark comments as spam.  

>>>>> When a comment is identified as spam I think the IP should be 

>>>>> logged.  In the config.php file I think we could then set a spam 

>>>>> threshold at say 5. What that means is if a an IP is tied to 

>>>>> spamming the Geeklog site five times then we would ban that IP.  I 

>>>>> know using IP's isn't the greatest but my hunch is 99% of this sort 

>>>>> of spam would come from static IP's and not proxy IP's.  However, 

>>>>> we should still allow admins to turn this feature on or off.

>>>>>

>>>>> One other bit of useful logic would be to check if the source IP of 

>>>>> spam has been tied to comments which weren't identified as spam.  

>>>>> If we did that then in our logic we could basically check a) has 

>>>>> the IP hit the threshold, if so has it been used in non-spam 

>>>>> comments.  If it *has* been used in non-spam comments then we could 

>>>>> assume it is from a proxied IP and not ban the IP.

>>>>>

>>>>> I also think later versions of this could use MySQL's full text 

>>>>> searching capabilities.

>>>>>

>>>>> To start, if we were to add the IP to the comment table I think we 

>>>>> could write a plugin to do all this.  OF course this assumes that a 

>>>>> plugin API is called when a comment is submitted which may or may 

>>>>> not be the case ( I can't remember).

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm sure you guys may have other ideas too.

>>>>>

>>>>> -- 

>>>>> +--------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>> --+ |Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our 

>>>>> penal   | |tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man 

>>>>> in jail is one | |                   |less potential fisherman to 

>>>>> clutter up your       | |                   |favorite pool or pond. -

>>>>> -Ed Zern                  | +----------------------------------------

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>>>>>

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>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> ------- End of Original Message -------

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|Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |

|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |

|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |

|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  |

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Message: 2
From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Anti Spam Features
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:43:03 +0100
Organization: Terra Software Systems
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Seven quick tips for a spam-free blog
http://cheerleader.yoz.com/archives/000849.html

bye, Dirk


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