[geeklog-devtalk] geeklog-devel digest, Vol 1 #376 - 8 msgs

[geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net]

Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to
	geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net

You can reach the person managing the list at
	geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..."


Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Javascript menu (Simon Lord)
   2. Re: Javascript menu (Simon Lord)
   3. Re: Javascript menu (Simon Lord)
   4. Re: Zend Editor (Tony Bibbs)
   5. Re: Zend Editor (Justin Carlson)
   6. Re: Zend Editor (Tony Bibbs)
   7. Re: Javascript menu (Justin Carlson)
   8. Re: Javascript menu (Simon Lord)

--__--__--

Message: 1
From: Simon Lord <slord at marelina.com>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:25:23 -0400
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Yeah, I just noticed some of that crud also.  It's uses some good css2  
and some stuff appears to either not be compatible or not treated the  
same way across all the browsers.

I'm trying to find some kind of zen balance across the browsers now.   
Crap.



On Aug 17, 2004, at 11:03 PM, Blaine Lang wrote:


> Hum .. this is what I see in IE.

> I see the same as Dwight in Firefox

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>

> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:57 PM

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu

>

>

> Looks nice in IE, not so nice in Mozilla.

>

> Simon Lord wrote:

>

>> I was fortunate to come across the following script via a buddy.  It  

>> has

>> to be the smallest javascript code and css I've ever seen supporting a

>> wickedly cool hierarchical menu system.

>>

>> I spent the day making new icons for it and totally rewriting the css  

>> so

>> it looks better.  If any genius here thinks they can tie it into the

>> Topics block then please send me your hack.  Ideally the topic name

>> would be the main link with the story names being the items with the

>> menu.  I have a hardcoded version working here:

>>

>> http://www.karbonized.com/dmx/

>>

>> Hopefully the file (9k) is attached below...

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Sincerely,

>> Simon

>>

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>> --

>>

>>

>>

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>> --

>>

>> avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com>: Inbound message clean.

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 

> -----

> ----

>

>

>

> <dmx.jpg>

Sincerely,
Simon


--__--__--

Message: 2
From: Simon Lord <slord at marelina.com>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:39:13 -0400
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Ok, I found the problem for the crud in my javascript menu.  I think at  
issue is the following tag in css:

display: block;

... in many browsers this appears to force a carriage return at each  
line making the space between each line look like double-spacing.

Anyone know some kind of fix to prevent this apparent line break from  
happening?



On Aug 17, 2004, at 11:25 PM, Simon Lord wrote:


> Yeah, I just noticed some of that crud also.  It's uses some good css2  

> and some stuff appears to either not be compatible or not treated the  

> same way across all the browsers.

>

> I'm trying to find some kind of zen balance across the browsers now.   

> Crap.

>

>

>

> On Aug 17, 2004, at 11:03 PM, Blaine Lang wrote:

>

>> Hum .. this is what I see in IE.

>> I see the same as Dwight in Firefox

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>

>> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:57 PM

>> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu

>>

>>

>> Looks nice in IE, not so nice in Mozilla.

>>

>> Simon Lord wrote:

>>

>>> I was fortunate to come across the following script via a buddy.  It  

>>> has

>>> to be the smallest javascript code and css I've ever seen supporting  

>>> a

>>> wickedly cool hierarchical menu system.

>>>

>>> I spent the day making new icons for it and totally rewriting the  

>>> css so

>>> it looks better.  If any genius here thinks they can tie it into the

>>> Topics block then please send me your hack.  Ideally the topic name

>>> would be the main link with the story names being the items with the

>>> menu.  I have a hardcoded version working here:

>>>

>>> http://www.karbonized.com/dmx/

>>>

>>> Hopefully the file (9k) is attached below...

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Sincerely,

>>> Simon

>>>

>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>>> ---

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>>> ---

>>>

>>> avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com>: Inbound message clean.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>> ------

>> ----

>>

>>

>>

>> <dmx.jpg>

> Sincerely,

> Simon

>

> _______________________________________________

> geeklog-devel mailing list

> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>

>

Sincerely,
Simon


--__--__--

Message: 3
From: Simon Lord <slord at marelina.com>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:48:32 -0400
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Got it.

display: block; by nature will cause a line break to appear whereas  
"display: run-in;" which is a new addition to css2 will prevent this  
line break effect from happening.

It seems to look good in IE now.  I'm still tweaking the css to  
eliminate some artifacts but it seems I'll be able to get it running  
smoothly shortly.


On Aug 18, 2004, at 10:39 AM, Simon Lord wrote:


> Ok, I found the problem for the crud in my javascript menu.  I think  

> at issue is the following tag in css:

>

> display: block;

>

> ... in many browsers this appears to force a carriage return at each  

> line making the space between each line look like double-spacing.

>

> Anyone know some kind of fix to prevent this apparent line break from  

> happening?

>

>

>

> On Aug 17, 2004, at 11:25 PM, Simon Lord wrote:

>

>> Yeah, I just noticed some of that crud also.  It's uses some good  

>> css2 and some stuff appears to either not be compatible or not  

>> treated the same way across all the browsers.

>>

>> I'm trying to find some kind of zen balance across the browsers now.   

>> Crap.

>>

>>

>>

>> On Aug 17, 2004, at 11:03 PM, Blaine Lang wrote:

>>

>>> Hum .. this is what I see in IE.

>>> I see the same as Dwight in Firefox

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>

>>> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:57 PM

>>> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu

>>>

>>>

>>> Looks nice in IE, not so nice in Mozilla.

>>>

>>> Simon Lord wrote:

>>>

>>>> I was fortunate to come across the following script via a buddy.   

>>>> It has

>>>> to be the smallest javascript code and css I've ever seen  

>>>> supporting a

>>>> wickedly cool hierarchical menu system.

>>>>

>>>> I spent the day making new icons for it and totally rewriting the  

>>>> css so

>>>> it looks better.  If any genius here thinks they can tie it into the

>>>> Topics block then please send me your hack.  Ideally the topic name

>>>> would be the main link with the story names being the items with the

>>>> menu.  I have a hardcoded version working here:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.karbonized.com/dmx/

>>>>

>>>> Hopefully the file (9k) is attached below...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Sincerely,

>>>> Simon

>>>>

>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>>>> ----

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>>>> ----

>>>>

>>>> avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com>: Inbound message clean.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>>> -------

>>> ----

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> <dmx.jpg>

>> Sincerely,

>> Simon

>>

>> _______________________________________________

>> geeklog-devel mailing list

>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>>

>>

> Sincerely,

> Simon

>

> _______________________________________________

> geeklog-devel mailing list

> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>

>

Sincerely,
Simon


--__--__--

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:59:34 -0500
From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Zend Editor
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Yeah, this does become a coke vs pepsi sort of argument but you should 
try the new version compatible with PHP5.  Granted I have a pretty hefty 
laptop but everything is quite snappy.  Right click menus, debugging, 
code analyzer, etc all work faster than I could tolerate (which is good).

IMHO, the debugger alone with the standard watches, breakpoints, call 
stack, etc is worth it.

For me it is also a no brainer, we are getting professional copies here 
at work ;-)

--Tony

Blaine Lang wrote:


>Hi Tony,

>

>I too have never been overly impressed with the ActiveState IDE. I just

>found it too slow on my WinXP desktop and it's not a under-powered desktop.

>I also recently tried the ZendStudio and liked it but I keep coming back to

>my super fast editor that I love to use - EditPlus.  I do like the

>integrated debugger but I also found it slow at times - no where as bad as

>Komodo. I just hate it when I'm typing and there is a delay.

>

>My trial expired before I had given it enough hour of testing. I know there

>are many benefits and it takes time to change your style and get used to a

>new devel environment.

>

>Blaine

>

>----- Original Message ----- 

>From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>

>To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:00 AM

>Subject: [geeklog-devel] Zend Editor

>

>

>I've tried, in vain, to get free professional edition copies of Zend

>Studio.  The best they could offer was the academic discount of 25%

>off.   That takes the $250 price tag down to $187.  For what it is

>worth, my full trial version expired today and a few features got

>disabled.  To my amazement, however, the debugger still works which...by

>itself is worth gold.

>

>That being said, I'd really encourage those who haven't tried it to give

>it a try.  I've dumped my ActiveState license for Zend and I would have

>done so even if my employer wasn't buying us some licenses.  The

>features that I have noticed that have been disabled is CVS integration

>and the introspection stuff which is handy but not terribly useful, IMHO.

>

>Anyway, let me know if anybody wants the full blown version at that price.

>

>--Tony

>_______________________________________________

>geeklog-devel mailing list

>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>

>_______________________________________________

>geeklog-devel mailing list

>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>  

>



--__--__--

Message: 5
From: "Justin Carlson" <pyrox_pro at hotmail.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Zend Editor
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:08:43 -0600
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Yes, it's the only way he can get me off of Vim
It's the first setup I've liked well enough to change my ways.

- Justin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Zend Editor



> Yeah, this does become a coke vs pepsi sort of argument but you should

> try the new version compatible with PHP5.  Granted I have a pretty hefty

> laptop but everything is quite snappy.  Right click menus, debugging,

> code analyzer, etc all work faster than I could tolerate (which is good).

>

> IMHO, the debugger alone with the standard watches, breakpoints, call

> stack, etc is worth it.

>

> For me it is also a no brainer, we are getting professional copies here

> at work ;-)

>

> --Tony

>

> Blaine Lang wrote:

>

> >Hi Tony,

> >

> >I too have never been overly impressed with the ActiveState IDE. I just

> >found it too slow on my WinXP desktop and it's not a under-powered

desktop.

> >I also recently tried the ZendStudio and liked it but I keep coming back

to

> >my super fast editor that I love to use - EditPlus.  I do like the

> >integrated debugger but I also found it slow at times - no where as bad

as

> >Komodo. I just hate it when I'm typing and there is a delay.

> >

> >My trial expired before I had given it enough hour of testing. I know

there

> >are many benefits and it takes time to change your style and get used to

a

> >new devel environment.

> >

> >Blaine

> >

> >----- Original Message ----- 

> >From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>

> >To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

> >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:00 AM

> >Subject: [geeklog-devel] Zend Editor

> >

> >

> >I've tried, in vain, to get free professional edition copies of Zend

> >Studio.  The best they could offer was the academic discount of 25%

> >off.   That takes the $250 price tag down to $187.  For what it is

> >worth, my full trial version expired today and a few features got

> >disabled.  To my amazement, however, the debugger still works which...by

> >itself is worth gold.

> >

> >That being said, I'd really encourage those who haven't tried it to give

> >it a try.  I've dumped my ActiveState license for Zend and I would have

> >done so even if my employer wasn't buying us some licenses.  The

> >features that I have noticed that have been disabled is CVS integration

> >and the introspection stuff which is handy but not terribly useful, IMHO.

> >

> >Anyway, let me know if anybody wants the full blown version at that

price.

> >

> >--Tony

> >_______________________________________________

> >geeklog-devel mailing list

> >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> >

> >_______________________________________________

> >geeklog-devel mailing list

> >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> >

> >

>

> _______________________________________________

> geeklog-devel mailing list

> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>


--__--__--

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:22:04 -0500
From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Zend Editor
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Look, he speaks.

--Tony

Justin Carlson wrote:


>Yes, it's the only way he can get me off of Vim

>It's the first setup I've liked well enough to change my ways.

>

>- Justin

>

>----- Original Message ----- 

>From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>

>To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

>Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:59 AM

>Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Zend Editor

>

>

>  

>

>>Yeah, this does become a coke vs pepsi sort of argument but you should

>>try the new version compatible with PHP5.  Granted I have a pretty hefty

>>laptop but everything is quite snappy.  Right click menus, debugging,

>>code analyzer, etc all work faster than I could tolerate (which is good).

>>

>>IMHO, the debugger alone with the standard watches, breakpoints, call

>>stack, etc is worth it.

>>

>>For me it is also a no brainer, we are getting professional copies here

>>at work ;-)

>>

>>--Tony

>>

>>Blaine Lang wrote:

>>

>>    

>>

>>>Hi Tony,

>>>

>>>I too have never been overly impressed with the ActiveState IDE. I just

>>>found it too slow on my WinXP desktop and it's not a under-powered

>>>      

>>>

>desktop.

>  

>

>>>I also recently tried the ZendStudio and liked it but I keep coming back

>>>      

>>>

>to

>  

>

>>>my super fast editor that I love to use - EditPlus.  I do like the

>>>integrated debugger but I also found it slow at times - no where as bad

>>>      

>>>

>as

>  

>

>>>Komodo. I just hate it when I'm typing and there is a delay.

>>>

>>>My trial expired before I had given it enough hour of testing. I know

>>>      

>>>

>there

>  

>

>>>are many benefits and it takes time to change your style and get used to

>>>      

>>>

>a

>  

>

>>>new devel environment.

>>>

>>>Blaine

>>>

>>>----- Original Message ----- 

>>>From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>

>>>To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:00 AM

>>>Subject: [geeklog-devel] Zend Editor

>>>

>>>

>>>I've tried, in vain, to get free professional edition copies of Zend

>>>Studio.  The best they could offer was the academic discount of 25%

>>>off.   That takes the $250 price tag down to $187.  For what it is

>>>worth, my full trial version expired today and a few features got

>>>disabled.  To my amazement, however, the debugger still works which...by

>>>itself is worth gold.

>>>

>>>That being said, I'd really encourage those who haven't tried it to give

>>>it a try.  I've dumped my ActiveState license for Zend and I would have

>>>done so even if my employer wasn't buying us some licenses.  The

>>>features that I have noticed that have been disabled is CVS integration

>>>and the introspection stuff which is handy but not terribly useful, IMHO.

>>>

>>>Anyway, let me know if anybody wants the full blown version at that

>>>      

>>>

>price.

>  

>

>>>--Tony

>>>_______________________________________________

>>>geeklog-devel mailing list

>>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

>>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>>>

>>>_______________________________________________

>>>geeklog-devel mailing list

>>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

>>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>>>

>>>

>>>      

>>>

>>_______________________________________________

>>geeklog-devel mailing list

>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>>

>>    

>>

>_______________________________________________

>geeklog-devel mailing list

>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>  

>



--__--__--

Message: 7
From: "Justin Carlson" <justin at w3abode.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:45:08 -0600
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

At least twice in the first few times viewing it in IE the entire list did
not show up.

The spacing is tight in Mozilla 1.7.2, the colors and graphics looked
correct for me.

- Justin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu



> Looks nice in IE, not so nice in Mozilla.

>

> Simon Lord wrote:

>

> > I was fortunate to come across the following script via a buddy.  It has

> > to be the smallest javascript code and css I've ever seen supporting a

> > wickedly cool hierarchical menu system.

> >

> > I spent the day making new icons for it and totally rewriting the css so

> > it looks better.  If any genius here thinks they can tie it into the

> > Topics block then please send me your hack.  Ideally the topic name

> > would be the main link with the story names being the items with the

> > menu.  I have a hardcoded version working here:

> >

> > http://www.karbonized.com/dmx/

> >

> > Hopefully the file (9k) is attached below...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Simon

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com>: Inbound message clean.

> >

> >

>

>



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----





--__--__--

Message: 8
From: Simon Lord <slord at marelina.com>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:40:52 -0400
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net


> At least twice in the first few times viewing it in IE the entire list  

> did

> not show up.


Yeah, this is likely a coincidence of you viewing the page while I was  
debugging my css this morning.  I have it at a setting I like right now  
and will leave it this was for a few days.



> The spacing is tight in Mozilla 1.7.2, the colors and graphics looked

> correct for me.

> - Justin

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>

> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:57 PM

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Javascript menu

>

>

>> Looks nice in IE, not so nice in Mozilla.

>>

>> Simon Lord wrote:

>>

>>> I was fortunate to come across the following script via a buddy.  It  

>>> has

>>> to be the smallest javascript code and css I've ever seen supporting  

>>> a

>>> wickedly cool hierarchical menu system.

>>>

>>> I spent the day making new icons for it and totally rewriting the  

>>> css so

>>> it looks better.  If any genius here thinks they can tie it into the

>>> Topics block then please send me your hack.  Ideally the topic name

>>> would be the main link with the story names being the items with the

>>> menu.  I have a hardcoded version working here:

>>>

>>> http://www.karbonized.com/dmx/

>>>

>>> Hopefully the file (9k) is attached below...

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Sincerely,

>>> Simon

>>>

>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>>> ---

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>>> ---

>>>

>>> avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com>: Inbound message clean.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 

> -----

> ----

>

>

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> geeklog-devel mailing list

> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>

>

Sincerely,
Simon



--__--__--

_______________________________________________
geeklog-devel mailing list
geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel


End of geeklog-devel Digest