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Today's Topics:

1. Comment Deletion Access (Vincent Furia)
2. comment.thtml (Vincent Furia)
3. Re: comment.thtml (Dirk Haun)
4. Re: comment.thtml (Tom Willett)
5. Re: A lesson to learn from Mambo? (Blaine Lang)
6. Re: comment.thtml (Vincent Furia)
7. Re: comment.thtml (Tom Willett)
8. Re: comment.thtml (Vincent Furia)
9. Re: comment.thtml (Tom Willett)
10. Re: comment.thtml (Dirk Haun)
11. New default theme (Dirk Haun)
12. Re: A lesson to learn from Mambo? (Peter Roozemaal)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:55:55 -0400
From: Vincent Furia <vfuria at gmail.com>
To: Geeklog Devel <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Comment Deletion Access
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

I just realized that Geeklog currently checks if a user has write
access to the poll/article and if the user has story.edit permissions
to grant comment deletion power. It wouldn't be too difficult to add
a comment.moderate or comment.delete access level so that granting a
(say Story Admin) access to a story for editing or posting wouldn't
necessarily give that user the ability to delete comments.

This is something that can probably wait til 1.3.11. I just wanted to
get the issue documented and see what people think.

-Vinny

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:12:28 -0400
From: Vincent Furia <vfuria at gmail.com>
To: Geeklog Devel <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Subject: [geeklog-devel] comment.thtml
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Anyone currently using 1.3.9 or current CVS. Please try out the
following comment.thtml and make sure it works well with all the
browsers. Apparently the tables in comment.thtml were causing some
problems with recent versions of IE. The version below works with
firefox and IE 6.0, I'd like others to test it with other browsers.

Thanks,
Vinny

<div class="comment" style="padding-left: {indent}px">
<div class="commenttitle">{title}</div>
<div>{lang_authoredby}
{start_author_anchortag}{author}{end_author_anchortag} {lang_on}
{date}</div>
<div style="verticle-align: top">{comments}</div>
<div><span {hide_if_preview}>[ <a
href="{site_url}/comment.php?sid={sid}&pid={pid}&title={title}&type={type}">{lang_replytothis}</a>
{parent_link} {delete_option}]</span></div>
</div>

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Message: 3
From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] comment.thtml
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:35:00 +0200
Organization: Terra Software Systems
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

>Anyone currently using 1.3.9 or current CVS. Please try out the

>following comment.thtml and make sure it works well with all the

>browsers.

No apparent problems or oddities in Mozilla 1.7.3 (Mac), Safari 1.2.3,
Opera 7.5.4 (Mac), OmniWeb 4.5, iCab 2.9.8, IE 5.2.3 (Mac).

Didn't try Netscape 4.5, though ;-)

bye, Dirk

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Message: 4
From: "Tom Willett" <tomw at pigstye.net>
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] comment.thtml
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:51:40 +0000
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:12:28 -0400, Vincent Furia wrote

> Anyone currently using 1.3.9 or current CVS. Please try out the

> following comment.thtml and make sure it works well with all the

> browsers. Apparently the tables in comment.thtml were causing some

> problems with recent versions of IE. The version below works with

> firefox and IE 6.0, I'd like others to test it with other browsers.

>

> Thanks,

> Vinny

>

Installed it on GPlugs and using IE 6.0 on Win98. The first two comments I
looked at were fine but the third story I looked at had width problems. Try
it looking at the story: Site Index Change for 1.3.9 and see what it does
from your place. The width issue may be the long line in the first comment.

> <div class="comment" style="padding-left: {indent}px">

> <div class="commenttitle">{title}</div>

> <div>{lang_authoredby}

> {start_author_anchortag}{author}{end_author_anchortag} {lang_on}

> {date}</div>

> <div style="verticle-align: top">{comments}</div>

> <div><span {hide_if_preview}>[ <a

> href="{site_url}/comment.php?sid={sid}&pid={pid}&title={title}

&type={type}">{lang_replytothis}</a>

> {parent_link} {delete_option}]</span></div>

> </div>

> _______________________________________________

> geeklog-devel mailing list

> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

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Message: 5
From: "Blaine Lang" <geeklog at langfamily.ca>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] A lesson to learn from Mambo?
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:03:07 -0400
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

I agree Dirk, this is something we need to keep in mind. I've done quite a
few for-fee projects and everytime I bring up the question of adding this
similar feature back into Geeklog core, the clients are 100% onside. They
recognize immediately the benefit of having the modification supported and
remove the issue with upgrades.

I don't think we can ever be too cautious and getting agreement and
understanding up front or soon as it appears to be a solution with wider
appeal is key. When doing contract work (developement for hire), I believe
the client owns the right to the work product unless contracts say
otherwise.

Blaine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:28 PM
Subject: [geeklog-devel] A lesson to learn from Mambo?

There's an interesting article on Slashdot about a dispute over a piece
of code in the Mambo CMS:

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/18/1348255

Apparently, one of the Mambo developers made a modification for a
customer (and was paid for it). Since he liked that feature, he re-
implemented (and extended) it and added it to the Mambo distribution. Now
the customer is p*ssed and threatens all the Mambo users(!) with lawsuits
and whatnot.

Even though the customer is obviously overreacting (and, it seems,
wrong), this is something those of us who are doing custom work on
Geeklog should be careful about.

Please, everbody, check with your customers before you add any custom
code to the Geeklog core.

bye, Dirk

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:24:53 -0400
From: Vincent Furia <vfuria at gmail.com>
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] comment.thtml
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Hey Tom,

Could you get a screen shot. I tried to reproduce with IE 6.0 under
windows 2000 and didn't see it.

Thanks,
Vinny

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:51:40 +0000, Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:12:28 -0400, Vincent Furia wrote

> > Anyone currently using 1.3.9 or current CVS. Please try out the

> > following comment.thtml and make sure it works well with all the

> > browsers. Apparently the tables in comment.thtml were causing some

> > problems with recent versions of IE. The version below works with

> > firefox and IE 6.0, I'd like others to test it with other browsers.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Vinny

> >

>

> Installed it on GPlugs and using IE 6.0 on Win98. The first two comments I

> looked at were fine but the third story I looked at had width problems. Try

> it looking at the story: Site Index Change for 1.3.9 and see what it does

> from your place. The width issue may be the long line in the first comment.

>

> > <div class="comment" style="padding-left: {indent}px">

> > <div class="commenttitle">{title}</div>

> > <div>{lang_authoredby}

> > {start_author_anchortag}{author}{end_author_anchortag} {lang_on}

> > {date}</div>

> > <div style="verticle-align: top">{comments}</div>

> > <div><span {hide_if_preview}>[ <a

> > href="{site_url}/comment.php?sid={sid}&pid={pid}&title={title}

> &type={type}">{lang_replytothis}</a>

> > {parent_link} {delete_option}]</span></div>

> > </div>

> > _______________________________________________

> > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>

> --

> Tom Willett

> tomw at pigstye.net

>

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> geeklog-devel mailing list

> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>

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Message: 7
From: "Tom Willett" <tomw at pigstye.net>
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] comment.thtml
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:41:54 +0000
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

What screen size do you have, mines only 800x600, it would probably ok at
1024x768. The comment line is the full width of the following line:

$display .= '<a href="' . COM_buildUrl ($_CONF['site_url'] . '/article.php?
story=' . $A['sid']) . '">';

oops it even wrapped in my mailer, but it doesn't on screen.

I am not trying to get out of a screen shot, but it may not mean much.
Reduce your screen size so the first comment of the third story needs to wrap
the line above and it won't.

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:24:53 -0400, Vincent Furia wrote

> Hey Tom,

>

> Could you get a screen shot. I tried to reproduce with IE 6.0 under

> windows 2000 and didn't see it.

>

> Thanks,

> Vinny

>

> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:51:40 +0000, Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:

> > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:12:28 -0400, Vincent Furia wrote

> > > Anyone currently using 1.3.9 or current CVS. Please try out the

> > > following comment.thtml and make sure it works well with all the

> > > browsers. Apparently the tables in comment.thtml were causing some

> > > problems with recent versions of IE. The version below works with

> > > firefox and IE 6.0, I'd like others to test it with other browsers.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Vinny

> > >

> >

> > Installed it on GPlugs and using IE 6.0 on Win98. The first two comments

I

> > looked at were fine but the third story I looked at had width problems.

Try

> > it looking at the story: Site Index Change for 1.3.9 and see what it does

> > from your place. The width issue may be the long line in the first

comment.

> >

> > > <div class="comment" style="padding-left: {indent}px">

> > > <div class="commenttitle">{title}</div>

> > > <div>{lang_authoredby}

> > > {start_author_anchortag}{author}{end_author_anchortag} {lang_on}

> > > {date}</div>

> > > <div style="verticle-align: top">{comments}</div>

> > > <div><span {hide_if_preview}>[ <a

> > > href="{site_url}/comment.php?sid={sid}&pid={pid}&title={title}

> > &type={type}">{lang_replytothis}</a>

> > > {parent_link} {delete_option}]</span></div>

> > > </div>

> > > _______________________________________________

> > > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> >

> > --

> > Tom Willett

> > tomw at pigstye.net

> >

> >

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> >

> _______________________________________________

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> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

--
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tomw at pigstye.net

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:44:07 -0400
From: Vincent Furia <vfuria at gmail.com>
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] comment.thtml
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

OK, I see it now Tom. It looks like it isn't wrapping because it has
<pre></pre> tags around the line. I'd be surprised if it wrapped with
the old comment.thtml. Is there a way to override <pre> tags to force
wrapping?

-Vinny

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:41:54 +0000, Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:

> What screen size do you have, mines only 800x600, it would probably ok at

> 1024x768. The comment line is the full width of the following line:

>

> $display .= '<a href="' . COM_buildUrl ($_CONF['site_url'] . '/article.php?

> story=' . $A['sid']) . '">';

>

> oops it even wrapped in my mailer, but it doesn't on screen.

>

> I am not trying to get out of a screen shot, but it may not mean much.

> Reduce your screen size so the first comment of the third story needs to wrap

> the line above and it won't.

>

> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:24:53 -0400, Vincent Furia wrote

>

>

> > Hey Tom,

> >

> > Could you get a screen shot. I tried to reproduce with IE 6.0 under

> > windows 2000 and didn't see it.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Vinny

> >

> > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:51:40 +0000, Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:

> > > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:12:28 -0400, Vincent Furia wrote

> > > > Anyone currently using 1.3.9 or current CVS. Please try out the

> > > > following comment.thtml and make sure it works well with all the

> > > > browsers. Apparently the tables in comment.thtml were causing some

> > > > problems with recent versions of IE. The version below works with

> > > > firefox and IE 6.0, I'd like others to test it with other browsers.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Vinny

> > > >

> > >

> > > Installed it on GPlugs and using IE 6.0 on Win98. The first two comments

> I

> > > looked at were fine but the third story I looked at had width problems.

> Try

> > > it looking at the story: Site Index Change for 1.3.9 and see what it does

> > > from your place. The width issue may be the long line in the first

> comment.

> > >

> > > > <div class="comment" style="padding-left: {indent}px">

> > > > <div class="commenttitle">{title}</div>

> > > > <div>{lang_authoredby}

> > > > {start_author_anchortag}{author}{end_author_anchortag} {lang_on}

> > > > {date}</div>

> > > > <div style="verticle-align: top">{comments}</div>

> > > > <div><span {hide_if_preview}>[ <a

> > > > href="{site_url}/comment.php?sid={sid}&pid={pid}&title={title}

> > > &type={type}">{lang_replytothis}</a>

> > > > {parent_link} {delete_option}]</span></div>

> > > > </div>

> > > > _______________________________________________

> > > > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> > >

> > > --

> > > Tom Willett

> > > tomw at pigstye.net

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _______________________________________________

> > > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> > >

> > _______________________________________________

>

>

> > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>

> --

> Tom Willett

> tomw at pigstye.net

>

> _______________________________________________

> geeklog-devel mailing list

> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

>

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Message: 9
From: "Tom Willett" <tomw at pigstye.net>
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] comment.thtml
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 03:42:56 +0000
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

I'm wrong -- I restored the original comment.thtml and it looks the same. I
never noticed it because I always looked at it at work on my big monitors.

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:44:07 -0400, Vincent Furia wrote

> OK, I see it now Tom. It looks like it isn't wrapping because it has

> <pre></pre> tags around the line. I'd be surprised if it wrapped

> with the old comment.thtml. Is there a way to override <pre> tags

> to force wrapping?

>

> -Vinny

>

> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:41:54 +0000, Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:

> > What screen size do you have, mines only 800x600, it would probably ok at

> > 1024x768. The comment line is the full width of the following line:

> >

> > $display .= '<a href="' . COM_buildUrl ($_CONF

['site_url'] . '/article.php?

> > story=' . $A['sid']) . '">';

> >

> > oops it even wrapped in my mailer, but it doesn't on screen.

> >

> > I am not trying to get out of a screen shot, but it may not mean much.

> > Reduce your screen size so the first comment of the third story needs to

wrap

> > the line above and it won't.

> >

> > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:24:53 -0400, Vincent Furia wrote

> >

> >

> > > Hey Tom,

> > >

> > > Could you get a screen shot. I tried to reproduce with IE 6.0 under

> > > windows 2000 and didn't see it.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Vinny

> > >

> > > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:51:40 +0000, Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net>

wrote:

> > > > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:12:28 -0400, Vincent Furia wrote

> > > > > Anyone currently using 1.3.9 or current CVS. Please try out the

> > > > > following comment.thtml and make sure it works well with all the

> > > > > browsers. Apparently the tables in comment.thtml were causing some

> > > > > problems with recent versions of IE. The version below works with

> > > > > firefox and IE 6.0, I'd like others to test it with other browsers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Vinny

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Installed it on GPlugs and using IE 6.0 on Win98. The first two

comments

> > I

> > > > looked at were fine but the third story I looked at had width

problems.

> > Try

> > > > it looking at the story: Site Index Change for 1.3.9 and see what it

does

> > > > from your place. The width issue may be the long line in the first

> > comment.

> > > >

> > > > > <div class="comment" style="padding-left: {indent}px">

> > > > > <div class="commenttitle">{title}</div>

> > > > > <div>{lang_authoredby}

> > > > > {start_author_anchortag}{author}{end_author_anchortag} {lang_on}

> > > > > {date}</div>

> > > > > <div style="verticle-align: top">{comments}</div>

> > > > > <div><span {hide_if_preview}>[ <a

> > > > > href="{site_url}/comment.php?sid={sid}&pid={pid}&title=

{title}

> > > > &type={type}">{lang_replytothis}</a>

> > > > > {parent_link} {delete_option}]</span></div>

> > > > > </div>

> > > > > _______________________________________________

> > > > > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Tom Willett

> > > > tomw at pigstye.net

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _______________________________________________

> > > > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> > > >

> > > _______________________________________________

> >

> >

> > > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> >

> > --

> > Tom Willett

> > tomw at pigstye.net

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > geeklog-devel mailing list

> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

> >

> _______________________________________________

> geeklog-devel mailing list

> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

--
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tomw at pigstye.net

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Message: 10
From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] comment.thtml
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:51:35 +0200
Organization: Terra Software Systems
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Vinny,

>Is there a way to override <pre> tags to force wrapping?

According to the W3C, user agents "May disable automatic word wrap" for
the <pre> element (which, it seems, most of them do).
<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-PRE>

The CSS2 'max-width' property is meant to let your override this:
<http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visudet.html#propdef-max-width>

However, IIRC, IE6 doesn't support max-width ...

bye, Dirk

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Message: 11
From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:11:27 +0200
Organization: Terra Software Systems
Subject: [geeklog-devel] New default theme
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

The Professional theme is now in CVS and has been set as the new default
theme in config.php. Thanks again to Victor B. Gonzalez for providing it!

I'm still waiting for a new logo (Simon?). Until then, the one I made has
to do ...

Please report any problems you may find with the theme. It should be
fully HTML 4.01 and CSS compliant, but that also depends on your site's
content. HTML errors in the content of articles or comments or in HTML
provided by plugins are, of course, not the theme's fault ...

bye, Dirk

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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:37:55 +0200
From: Peter Roozemaal <mathfox at xs4all.nl>
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] A lesson to learn from Mambo?
Reply-To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

Blaine Lang wrote:

> I don't think we can ever be too cautious and getting agreement and

> understanding up front or soon as it appears to be a solution with wider

> appeal is key. When doing contract work (developement for hire), I believe

> the client owns the right to the work product unless contracts say

> otherwise.

The rules on "work for hire" differ between countries. Some countries
assume copyright transfers automaticly to the employer and others assume
that copyrights remain with the author/contractor. It is best to make
clear in the contract who will get the copyright on the modifications
made for hire. (If the employer ensist on getting the copyrights on his
modification, make sure that it is limited to "the work done under this
contract" and doesn't extend to previous and/or later work.)
Another piece of advice: Make clear in the contract that the work you do
"is based on code distributed under the GPL" and that the resulting work
is subject to the GPL.

Pamela says I should put down the disclaimer that "I am not a Lawyer" here;
Greetings,

Peter.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>

> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:28 PM

> Subject: [geeklog-devel] A lesson to learn from Mambo?

>

> There's an interesting article on Slashdot about a dispute over a piece

> of code in the Mambo CMS:

>

> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/18/1348255

>

> Apparently, one of the Mambo developers made a modification for a

> customer (and was paid for it). Since he liked that feature, he re-

> implemented (and extended) it and added it to the Mambo distribution. Now

> the customer is p*ssed and threatens all the Mambo users(!) with lawsuits

> and whatnot.

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