[geeklog-devel] Re: GL2: php5?

Jason Whittenburg me at jasonwhittenburg.com
Tue Mar 11 13:35:11 EST 2003


My $0.02

I've been keeping up with PHP5 and with everything going on I'd honestly
be surprised to see a stable version this year.  And I really don't know
about a beta this month.  My gut is telling me to not expect to see a
"real" beta until summer.  But then again, you never know.  I wouldn't
focus on PHP5 too much, even if it is released, adoption will be slow.

PHP5 isn't going to be a huge change like everyone thinks it is.  It's
going to be huge internally, but its going to be BC so not to worry to

PHP5/Zend2 links that get in to some detail:



Jason Whittenburg
Internet Security Systems, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:13 PM
To: Geeklog Developers; Chris Franklin
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: GL2: php5?


I'm not ignoring you, I thought I got back to you through a post on 
geeklog-devel.  Anyway, this is where most of these sorts of discussions

should occur (I have copied this list in).

I have a number of tasks you could be working related to GL2 that I
warrant value despite any release of PHP5 engine.  So here are a few 
response to your message below:

1) Embarassingly enough, I have not followed PHP5 other than the
they began work from.  Your mentioning this is a good reality check.  I 
haven't read the article yet but I'll be interested in any projections
final releases and I have questions related to backwards compatibility.

2) Because GL2 has started out OO, I'm hoping much of our existing GL2 
code (what little exists) will port nicely so I think we got with what
stable but plan for any changes we may need to make.  This will require
to do a bit of research

3) As I said, I have a number of tasks to help ramp you up on GL2.  Are 
you able to connect to our IRC channel on a regular basis or will a bulk

of our conversation have to take place on this list?  Regardless, I will

touch base with you soon on what we have so that you might get started 


 On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Chris 
Franklin wrote:

> Tony -
> I'm interested in working with you on the new GL2 php "core" app 
> server - the idea intrigues me - but I haven't heard back from you. 
> Apologies if I sound like an a*s - I know you're busy... So I've been 
> thinking of either writing a plugin or hacking on the 1.3.7 code base 
> to add a feature but my interests lie more in architecture and 
> emerging technologies related to php. To those ends, have you 
> considered using the php5 beta for the foundation of GL2? It is due 
> out this month w/ better support of OOP - check out this article: 
> http://www.theopenenterprise.com/story/TOE20021204S0001
> Here's some excerpts:
> "PHP version 5, expected to appear in beta form by March, 2003, and 
> released in the summer of 2003, could change all that. Significant 
> performance improvements and a much more complete object-oriented 
> programming environment will allow PHP to provide a powerful Web front

> end for enterprise-class .NET and J2EE-based applications." ... 
> "Programmers familiar with C++ or Java will find many of the common 
> object-oriented constructs in PHP5 -- destructors, constructors, 
> namespaces, nested classes, exception handling, and syntax overloading

> are all supported." ... "One of the sweet side-effects of the new 
> object-oriented model is improved performance. PHP4, when executing, 
> does a lot of expensive data copying, but with the re-write of the 
> core PHP engine in PHP5, that will end. PHP4 copied objects by value 
> instead of by reference, meaning that objects were copied whenever 
> variables were assigned or parameters were passed to a routine. In 
> PHP5, instead of copying objects, objects are referred to by a handle,

> essentially an object pointer. The result is that both CPU performance

> and memory usage are improved."
> -C

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tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 

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