[geeklog-devel] Comment Speed Improvement

Blaine Lang geeklog at langfamily.ca
Tue Mar 30 09:55:31 EST 2004

I had not seen the "modified preorder tree traversal method" explained
before but the article on Sitepoint and the one pointed by Dwight explained
it pretty well. This would also work nicely for the forums as I currently
use a parent/child tree model.

I think it would be a good idea to try this structure and test it on a few
large databases.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vincent Furia" <vmf at abtech.org>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 2:54 PM
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Comment Speed Improvement

> I've been thinking hard about improving the speed of displaying comments
> by reducing the number of queries and potentially removing the need to
> use recursive functions.
> While Niels solution provides a quick fix for groklaw's specific
> problems, it is pretty inefficient when you are looking at a subset of
> comments for a story.  A more elegant solution must be possilbe..
> I think I've found that solution, but it will take some work (including
> a database change) to implement.  While I'm fully capable of
> implementing it, I wanted to get some feed-back before jumping in.
> The idea is to store the comments in the database using a modified
> preorder tree traversal method.  A brief description (along with a
> comparison to our current method) can be found in this article:
> http://www.sitepoint.com/article/hierarchical-data-database
> A better description is this site:
> http://membres.lycos.fr/sqlpro/Tree/SQL_tree.htm
> However it is in French (which I don't speak).  But babelfish
> (http://babel.altavista.com) works pretty well on the first half of the
> page.  Plus it has many useful graphics.
> The idea is a little confusing at first, but once you wrap your head
> around it you'll think:  "Wow, hey, that's pretty darn cool".  Or maybe
> you'll think: "Mein Gott, das ist wirklich kühl.". ;)
> The summary:
> - 1 query and 2 updates to insert a new comment
> - 1 query to get all the comments (in a logical order for display)
> - 1 query to get all the children of a given comment (with or without
> the given comment)
> - 1 query to count the number of children a comment has
> Basically this will drastically improve the speed of comment displays of
> all types, especially for sites that have very large databases of
> comments (groklaw).  The only expense is adding two extra db queries
> when a comment gets added (including one that could potentially update
> almost every database row).
> The only change to the database will be the addition of two integer
> columns: left terminal (lft) and right terminal (rgt).  Optionally we
> could also remove the parent id (pid) column as it would no longer be
> technically necessary.  That being said, I think we should preserve it
> for convenience.
> I think the improvement will be worth it, though we'll have to write a
> slick upgrade script to take care of current comments.  A side effect of
> using this method is that we will be able to write a comment function
> that is iterative rather than recursive which will further improve
> performance.
> Another note is that this method is database independent.  There are
> some other pretty nice solutions that require stored procedures and I
> think Oracle has something built in.  Obviously those other solutions
> are really going to work well with MySQL.
> If the article above doesn't make sense, let me know and I can write a
> brief summary of what is going on in "preorder tree traversal" method.
> Please everyone, let me know what you think.  I'd especially like some
> input from a DB guy to make sure I'm not missing something obvious
> (Dwight, you still out there?).
> -Vinny
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