[geeklog-devel] [geeklog-cvs] Geeklog-1.x

[Stone Micro]

I vote for the inclusion of the template caching because it seems to me that
Mark Evans and Joe have made very valid and good points.  After reading both
sides of the issue don't think leaving it for 1.5.1 is a wise idea.

Sam

On Nov 28, 2007 11:42 AM, Mark Howard <mark at the-howards.net> wrote:

> Apologies if this post from a relative newcomer violates list
> etiquette/rules.
>
> Perhaps if:
>
> 1) You froze the changes to 1.5, and released it as a 'developer's
> release'
> eg. 1.5DR with big red warning stickers relating to the 1.4.1
> incompatibilities.
>
> 2) In the 1.5DR documentation, you communicated/detailed the changes in
> the
> API that break the 1.4.1 plugins - and I mean really good documentation,
> with snippets/examples, etc etc (this makes it easier on the
> less-accomplished developers)
>
> 3) Announced an 'end of support' for 1.4.1 as say, 6 months beyond the
> release date for 1.5DR, what that actually means is something you can
> determine (perhaps only efforts to fix security vulnerabilities if
> possible)
>
> This may provide the motivation and information needed to bring the
> plugins
> forward in a reasonable amount of time, and I think this 'overlapping
> support' methodology is what I see in many commercial software packages.
> This does, in effect, shorten the release cycle, and for the most
> accomplished of developers, essentially makes 1.5 available on the release
> date of 1.5DR.
>
> Not trying to provoke or extend an argument, just trying to provide a
> constructive suggestion, and my apologies if this has been suggested and
> beaten into a bloody pulp on a prior occasion.  ;^)
>
> -m
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Joe
> Mucchiello
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:50 PM
> To: Geeklog Development
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] [geeklog-cvs] Geeklog-1.x
>
> At 01:11 PM 11/26/2007, Dirk Haun wrote:
> >Which is the whole point of me pushing to stop adding new features and
> >finishing what we have started elsewhere. You should have no problems at
> >all to find quotes for my position on that ... Plus a few where I argued
> >that we should try and move to a shorter release cycle.
>
> This is my last attempt, I promise. I've beaten this bloody, vaguely
> horse-shaped spot so hard because I don't see any upside to waiting
> for 1.5.1 but I see plenty of downside.
>
> 1.5 breaks several API interfaces. This means few 1.4.1 plugins will
> be 1.5 compatible without upgrades. The template library breaks
> sloppy order of calls to the template class. This means many plugins
> are not compatible out of the box with it. If you delay the template
> library to 1.5.1, users will be forced to upgrade there plugins when
> moving from 1.4.1 to 1.5 and 1.5 to 1.5.1.
>
> Dirk, you want to shorten the release cycle. If you shorten the
> release cycle, that puts extra burden on the admins of those Geeklog
> sites. I would think it preferable to break the plugins only once and
> perhaps have a quick upgrade after 1.5 where plugins (for the most
> part) don't need to be updated and thus don't add to the burden of
> upgrade. I'm sure the plugin authors will prefer not having to
> release upgrades twice because Geeklog's core changes underneath them.
>
> How about some plugin authors chiming in here? Or admins with a
> several Geeklog sites? The upside to extra hassles over the next two
> upgrades is 1.5 comes a few weeks sooner. I don't see how that's an
> even tradeoff.
>
> Taking full advantage of the new template library will take time.
> Delaying the library also has the downside of not having stuff like
> this in Geeklog. Below is a code snippet from ADMIN_list that I've
> modified. There is no HTML in the code snippet. There are a lot fewer
> IFs in the code snippet. There are a lot fewer temp variables in the
> code snippet. Yes, the template file is a lot more complex. Arguably
> the onclick HREF might belong in code. Still this doesn't go far
> enough. With set_block, most of the files in the admin/list directory
> should go away. But I didn't want post hundreds of lines of code to the
> list.
>
> Okay, I've said my peace. I'm done.
>
>
> <!-- this is admin/list/header.thtml -->
> <th class="{class}" nowrap="nowrap"
> {!if sortable}
>    OnMouseOver="this.style.cursor='pointer';"
>
> onclick="window.location.href='{form_url}{separator}order={order_var}&amp
> ;pr
> evorder={prevorder}&direction={direction}"
> {!endif}>
> {!if chk_delete}
>    <input type="checkbox" name="chk_selectall"
> title="{$LANG01[126]}" onclick="caItems(this.form);"{xhtml}>');
> {!else}
>    {header_text}
>    {!if arrow} <img
> src="{layout_url}/images/{arrow}.{image_type}" alt=""{xhtml}>{!endif}
> {!endif}
> </th>
>
>
>     if (is_array($options) AND $options['chkdelete']) {
>         $admin_templates->set_var('chk_delete', true);
>         $admin_templates->set_var('sortable', false);
>         $admin_templates->set_var('class', "admin-list-field");
>         $admin_templates->parse('header_row', 'header', true);
>     }
>     $admin_templates->set_var('chk_delete', false);
>     $admin_templates->set_var('image_type', IMAGE_TYPE);
>     $admin_templates->set_var('separator', $separator);
>     for ($i=0; $i < count($header_arr); $i++) { #iterate through all
> headers
>         if (!empty($header_arr[$i]['header_class'])) {
>             $admin_templates->set_var('class',
> $header_arr[$i]['header_class']);
>         } else {
>             $admin_templates->set_var('class', "admin-list-headerfield");
>         }
>         $admin_templates->set_var('header_text', $header_arr[$i]['text']);
>         $admin_templates->set_var('sortable',
> isset($header_arr[$i]['sort']));
>         $admin_templates->set_var('order_var', $i);
>         $admin_templates->set_var('prevorder', $prevorder);  //
> these variables come from the $_GET array and are processed above this
> snippet.
>         $admin_templates->set_var('direction', $direction);
>         $admin_templates->set_var('arrow',
> $order==$header_arr[$i]['field'] ? $arrow : false);
>
>         $admin_templates->parse('header_row', 'header', true);
>     }
>
>
> ----
> Joe Mucchiello
> Throwing Dice Games
> http://www.throwingdice.com
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