[geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 14, Issue 7
Lake Chang
lakechang at gmail.com
Wed Apr 9 12:51:08 EDT 2008
Thanks you, Dirk! Your reply makes me clear about many things.
>>It may be a language issue
It is! The word "product" I used was just to mean an output, not something
for sale. The word "geek" does seem somewhat ignoble to me. Those words
won't be a problem any more now that you had explained.
>>The actual issue that the "dead" post was about, ...
Nice judgement! The problem is that we blended the problem of progress with
the problem of name. Actually they are different problems. We should deal
with them separately.
>>That would avoid the backlog of outdated articles and actual changes
>>would be more visible.
In fact I prefer the style of geeklog.net to wordpress.org. IMHO, one way to
deal with such problems is only to show a title of the old articles and post
a link to the content, but show more content of the new articles. Now I'm
wondering where to put the user profile and other related contents of social
networking...
The original question, about Geeklog's name, I need to think more about it.
Yours,
Lei
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> 1. Re: Perception is everything... (Trinity)
> 2. Re: Perception is everything... (Randy Kolenko)
> 3. Re: Perception is everything... (Dirk Haun)
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> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 06:37:04 -0500
> From: Trinity <trinity93 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
> To: "Geeklog Development" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> I think a name change would be an excellent idea. The name Geeklog dose
> not
> promote the robustness or flexibility of the code base. If we wish to
> maintain and increase interested developers and end users to this project
> we
> have to have a name that doesn't limit, in the minds of those who
> encounter
> it, what the software in question is capable of. Geeklog to me would be
> fine
> if the code base was focused around single author blogging,
>
> We all know this is not what we have before us anymore. Geeklog has
> blossomed into something much more than a simple web blog script. Some of
> the plugins and add-ons I have seen in development are more geared to
> commerce, community building, project management, and information
> retrieval.
> Work is being done on creating plugins that add social networking
> features,
> e-commerce, and document/media management. Developers are using Geeklog to
> create sites for both "for profit" and "non profit" use as well as
> personal
> use.
>
> So here is an idea.......
>
> I remember that at one time, I suggested making the story/article stuff a
> separate plug in. and calling this a web site/application/portal
> development
> framework. To most people in the industry the word CMS means such a thing.
> If the story/articles plugin was called Geeklog but the core framework
> something else I think it would make more sense. I think it would be a
> bad
> decision to abandon the familiarity of the geeklog brand
>
> If I thought it would benefit the community and the community was
> receptive to this idea, I would allow the use of a brand name I had come
> up
> with for creating a some what commercial website oriented version of
> geeklog. The brand name i was planing on using was Slackdog. I still plan
> on
> using the name for my commercial consulting work as in i own slackdog.com.
> But if you were to register slackdog.org and use it for the core
> framework
> site, my marketing endeavors would trickle down and help promote the
> project.
>
> quite a few open source projects have a commercial entity offering for
> fee
> support and customization services attached to them. I would be willing to
> contribute some % of profits to the support of the open source project as
> well and entertain partnering with other core dev's on my business
> venture.
> Wouldent it be nice if the core devs got paid to work on the code full
> time?
>
> I know this might at first sound self serving but i am just trying to help
> and throw ideas around. If you think this is a bad idea i would be
> interested in knowing the reasons and get an idea of what everyone would
> like to see.
>
> - Trinity
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Michael Jervis <mjervis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:
> > > Good, it's not just me. I think we undervalue the importance of a
> name.
> > I know it sounds like a bunch non-technical BS but if you go on name
> alone
> > who would you pick:
> > >
> > > Geeklog
> > > Joomla
> > > Drupal
> > > PHPNuke
> > > Wordpress
> >
> > Me, I'd go on name alone:
> >
> > PHPNuke
> > Geeklog
> > Drupal
> > Joomla
> > Wordpress
> >
> > And in reality I went:
> >
> > PHPNuke
> > Geeklog
> > Drupal
> > Geeklog
> >
> > Changing the name /might/ be good, but you have to consider what
> > you're re-branding for. Are you re-branding to sell a platform to
> > build sites (glue as Euan suggested?) or to sell to the
> > Wordpress/Drupal style market where they just want a ready to go
> > platform. i.e. developers or (I struggle to find the right word here,
> > non-technical site owners?)
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> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:17:19 -0400
> From: "Randy Kolenko" <Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
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> What about paying out a bounty to one lucky individual who suggests an
> alternative/new name for Geeklog?
> Run it like a contest. Although the bounty paid isn't HUGE, its sure
> better than $0.
> Create some buzz in the open source community and perhaps revitalize the
> Geeklog core base of users to see that GL is not dead and that its
> continually moving forward.
>
> just my $0.02 worth.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Michael Jervis
> <mjervis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Tony Bibbs
> <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:
> > Good, it's not just me. I think we undervalue the
> importance of a name. I know it sounds like a bunch non-technical BS
> but if you go on name alone who would you pick:
> >
> > Geeklog
> > Joomla
> > Drupal
> > PHPNuke
> > Wordpress
>
>
> Me, I'd go on name alone:
>
> PHPNuke
> Geeklog
> Drupal
> Joomla
> Wordpress
>
> And in reality I went:
>
> PHPNuke
> Geeklog
> Drupal
> Geeklog
>
> Changing the name /might/ be good, but you have to
> consider what
> you're re-branding for. Are you re-branding to sell a
> platform to
> build sites (glue as Euan suggested?) or to sell to the
> Wordpress/Drupal style market where they just want a
> ready to go
> platform. i.e. developers or (I struggle to find the
> right word here,
> non-technical site owners?)
>
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> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:45:37 +0200
> From: Dirk Haun <dirk at haun-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
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> Tony Bibbs wrote:
>
> > Dirk when you get a minute I'd be interested to hear your take.
>
> "You _can_ say geeks now, Mom."
>
> (from "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland, 1995)
>
>
> It may be a language issue, but I never had a problem over here
> "selling" Geeklog. If anything, the name was considered a bit bland
> and non-descriptive, but not "offensive".
>
> The actual issue that the "dead" post was about, though, is our lack
> of visible progress. That's also something we've discussed before:
> There is a lot going on, but it's happening behind the scenes and if
> you don't lurk on geeklog-devel, you'll never hear of it until,
> suddenly, a new release appears out of thin air (or so it would seem).
>
> In fact, we did make the conscious decision to move things off of the
> geeklog.net front page and into the forums. But now that we only have
> new stories up every now and then, it gives the impression of not
> being very active.
>
> Having said that, I think we should actually take that one step
> further and remove the news articles almost entirely. Say, let's keep
> the featured story and the forum block and fill the rest with more
> static content. A bit more like e.g. wordpress.org.
>
> That would avoid the backlog of outdated articles and actual changes
> would be more visible. Too bad we don't have a lot of associated sites
> any more or I would bring up the idea of running a Planet (in parallel
> or inside of Geeklog) again. Or at least include an RSS feed from
> somewhere.
>
> bye, Dirk
>
>
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