[geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 14, Issue 5
Lake Chang
lakechang at gmail.com
Wed Apr 9 03:19:45 EDT 2008
Hi All,
I really feel sorry to see the word "dead" so many times in this discussion
as a gSoC 2008 student. In my opinion GL is very good, steady and easy to
use, having a passionate deploying team. We can do it better, just as what
google has done to her products. So we need not to feel discouraged. Here
are my humble opinions about changing the name.
Firstly, name is very very important. No one want to feel somewhat humble
mentioning the product she/he uses. The jocular names do fit a small part of
people, but are not suitable for a widely used product. So I support the
decision to pick a name for GL.
Secondly, I think we have to keep the name "Geeklog" for some time even we
have decided to replace it, if we do not want to miss some coming users.
There can be a period of time that Geek log has more than one names.
>>Me, I'd go on name alone:
>>
>>PHPNuke
>>Geeklog
>>Drupal
>>Joomla
>>Wordpress
>>
>>And in reality I went:
>>
>>PHPNuke
>>Geeklog
>>Drupal
>>Geeklog
IMHO these two names go well:
Wordpress
PHPNuke
Sincerely yours,
Lei ZHANG
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> 1. Perception is everything... (Tony Bibbs)
> 2. Re: Perception is everything... (Blaine Lang)
> 3. Re: Perception is everything... (Joe Mucchiello)
> 4. Re: Perception is everything... (Tony Bibbs)
> 5. Re: Perception is everything... (Tony Bibbs)
> 6. Re: Perception is everything... (Euan McKay)
> 7. Re: Perception is everything... (Michael Jervis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:13:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
> Subject: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> Ok, so I've got a couple of points related to the "Is Geeklog Dead"
> question.
>
> First of all, I'd be happy to do weekly or bi-monthly posts on gl.netabout successful GL installations. The idea is simple, have a standard form
> asking users about their decision to use Geeklog, what features are most
> important to them, areas of improvement and whatnot. I've got at least a
> half dozen sites at the State of Iowa I could recommend and I know we can
> dig up a lot more including some of our most noteable like Groklaw, etc.
>
> Also, more controversial, I've struggled with the Geeklog brand. I don't
> doubt that we've garnered some respect in the open source CMS areana but I
> have a hard time selling non-techies on "Geeklog". In fact it is to the
> point I just call it a "Content Management System" to avoid the silly looks
> I get. My question is am I the only one that feels this way? If not, I'd
> like to suggest renaming the project and allowing community participation on
> picking the name. I'm fine with leaving it as Geeklog but figured it'd be
> worth discussion. I'll go crawl under a rock now...
>
> --Tony
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> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:31:13 -0400
> From: Blaine Lang <devel at portalparts.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
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> Tony,
>
> I'm pleased to see this topic come up again. As you know I've raised it
> a few times before as Nextide we are constantly faced with the Name
> issue. It's one reason we finally released Nexpro albeit it includes a
> number of complex plugins but it now means we don't have to use the
> words Geeklog most of the time.
>
> IMHO, "Content Management System" does not really describe what Geeklog
> is either but to a non-technical person it's probably easier to get some
> idea of that GL is as apposed to calling it a Application Framework that
> includes a number of applications like a content management system.
>
> Blaine
>
> Tony Bibbs wrote:
> > Ok, so I've got a couple of points related to the "Is Geeklog Dead"
> > question.
> >
> > First of all, I'd be happy to do weekly or bi-monthly posts on gl.net
> > about successful GL installations. The idea is simple, have a
> > standard form asking users about their decision to use Geeklog, what
> > features are most important to them, areas of improvement and
> > whatnot. I've got at least a half dozen sites at the State of Iowa I
> > could recommend and I know we can dig up a lot more including some of
> > our most noteable like Groklaw, etc.
> >
> > Also, more controversial, I've struggled with the Geeklog brand. I
> > don't doubt that we've garnered some respect in the open source CMS
> > areana but I have a hard time selling non-techies on "Geeklog". In
> > fact it is to the point I just call it a "Content Management System"
> > to avoid the silly looks I get. My question is am I the only one that
> > feels this way? If not, I'd like to suggest renaming the project and
> > allowing community participation on picking the name. I'm fine with
> > leaving it as Geeklog but figured it'd be worth discussion. I'll go
> > crawl under a rock now...
> >
> > --Tony
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:39:02 -0400
> From: Joe Mucchiello <joe at ThrowingDice.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> At 09:13 PM 4/8/2008, Tony Bibbs wrote:
> >Ok, so I've got a couple of points related to the "Is Geeklog Dead"
> question.
>
> Is this just general mail you receive, an ongoing concern, or
> something on IRC recently?
>
> ----
> Joe Mucchiello
> Throwing Dice Games
> http://www.throwingdice.com
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:55:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Message-ID: <713137.99169.qm at web702.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Sorry, that was a post (where escapes me) but the jist was that GL seemed
> dead given the articles were so old.
>
> --Tony
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joe Mucchiello <joe at ThrowingDice.com>
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 8:39:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
>
> At 09:13 PM 4/8/2008, Tony Bibbs wrote:
> >Ok, so I've got a couple of points related to the "Is Geeklog Dead"
> question.
>
> Is this just general mail you receive, an ongoing concern, or
> something on IRC recently?
>
> ----
> Joe Mucchiello
> Throwing Dice Games
> http://www.throwingdice.com
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> Good, it's not just me. I think we undervalue the importance of a name.
> I know it sounds like a bunch non-technical BS but if you go on name alone
> who would you pick:
>
> Geeklog
> Joomla
> Drupal
> PHPNuke
> Wordpress
>
> That's my only point. Feature for feature we not far behind...FWIW I did
> have my first experience installing wordpress and while the installation and
> features were nice, the code would having us all appreciating the 1.x
> codebase a lot more. Dirk when you get a minute I'd be interested to hear
> your take.
>
> --Tony
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Blaine Lang <devel at portalparts.com>
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 8:31:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
>
> Tony,
>
> I'm pleased to see this topic come up again. As you know I've raised it
> a few times before as Nextide we are constantly faced with the Name
> issue. It's one reason we finally released Nexpro albeit it includes a
> number of complex plugins but it now means we don't have to use the
> words Geeklog most of the time.
>
> IMHO, "Content Management System" does not really describe what Geeklog
> is either but to a non-technical person it's probably easier to get some
> idea of that GL is as apposed to calling it a Application Framework that
> includes a number of applications like a content management system.
>
> Blaine
>
> Tony Bibbs wrote:
> > Ok, so I've got a couple of points related to the "Is Geeklog Dead"
> > question.
> >
> > First of all, I'd be happy to do weekly or bi-monthly posts on gl.net
> > about successful GL installations. The idea is simple, have a
> > standard form asking users about their decision to use Geeklog, what
> > features are most important to them, areas of improvement and
> > whatnot. I've got at least a half dozen sites at the State of Iowa I
> > could recommend and I know we can dig up a lot more including some of
> > our most noteable like Groklaw, etc.
> >
> > Also, more controversial, I've struggled with the Geeklog brand. I
> > don't doubt that we've garnered some respect in the open source CMS
> > areana but I have a hard time selling non-techies on "Geeklog". In
> > fact it is to the point I just call it a "Content Management System"
> > to avoid the silly looks I get. My question is am I the only one that
> > feels this way? If not, I'd like to suggest renaming the project and
> > allowing community participation on picking the name. I'm fine with
> > leaving it as Geeklog but figured it'd be worth discussion. I'll go
> > crawl under a rock now...
> >
> > --Tony
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:41:30 +0900
> From: "Euan McKay" <info at heatherengineering.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
> To: "Geeklog Development" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> I've thought for some time that the name was a bit of a problem.
>
> http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=21197
>
> Whenever I explain Geeklog to someone, I always gloss over the name
> (or omit it entirely).
>
> > Glue :-)
> > Joomla
> > Drupal
> > PHPNuke
> > Wordpress
>
> Euan.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:
> > Good, it's not just me. I think we undervalue the importance of a name.
> I know it sounds like a bunch non-technical BS but if you go on name alone
> who would you pick:
> >
> > Geeklog
> > Joomla
> > Drupal
> > PHPNuke
> > Wordpress
> >
> > That's my only point. Feature for feature we not far behind...FWIW I
> did have my first experience installing wordpress and while the installation
> and features were nice, the code would having us all appreciating the 1.x
> codebase a lot more. Dirk when you get a minute I'd be interested to hear
> your take.
> >
> > --Tony
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Blaine Lang <devel at portalparts.com>
> > To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 8:31:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
> >
> >
> > Tony,
> >
> > I'm pleased to see this topic come up again. As you know I've raised it
> > a few times before as Nextide we are constantly faced with the Name
> > issue. It's one reason we finally released Nexpro albeit it includes a
> > number of complex plugins but it now means we don't have to use the
> > words Geeklog most of the time.
> >
> > IMHO, "Content Management System" does not really describe what Geeklog
> > is either but to a non-technical person it's probably easier to get
> some
> > idea of that GL is as apposed to calling it a Application Framework
> that
> > includes a number of applications like a content management system.
> >
> > Blaine
> >
> >
> > Tony Bibbs wrote:
> > > Ok, so I've got a couple of points related to the "Is Geeklog Dead"
> > > question.
> > >
> >
> > > First of all, I'd be happy to do weekly or bi-monthly posts on gl.net
> > > about successful GL installations. The idea is simple, have a
> > > standard form asking users about their decision to use Geeklog, what
> > > features are most important to them, areas of improvement and
> > > whatnot. I've got at least a half dozen sites at the State of Iowa I
> > > could recommend and I know we can dig up a lot more including some of
> > > our most noteable like Groklaw, etc.
> > >
> > > Also, more controversial, I've struggled with the Geeklog brand. I
> > > don't doubt that we've garnered some respect in the open source CMS
> > > areana but I have a hard time selling non-techies on "Geeklog". In
> > > fact it is to the point I just call it a "Content Management System"
> > > to avoid the silly looks I get. My question is am I the only one
> that
> > > feels this way? If not, I'd like to suggest renaming the project and
> > > allowing community participation on picking the name. I'm fine with
> > > leaving it as Geeklog but figured it'd be worth discussion. I'll go
> > > crawl under a rock now...
> > >
> > > --Tony
> > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:28:16 +0100
> From: "Michael Jervis" <mjervis at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Perception is everything...
> To: "Geeklog Development" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:
> > Good, it's not just me. I think we undervalue the importance of a name.
> I know it sounds like a bunch non-technical BS but if you go on name alone
> who would you pick:
> >
> > Geeklog
> > Joomla
> > Drupal
> > PHPNuke
> > Wordpress
>
> Me, I'd go on name alone:
>
> PHPNuke
> Geeklog
> Drupal
> Joomla
> Wordpress
>
> And in reality I went:
>
> PHPNuke
> Geeklog
> Drupal
> Geeklog
>
> Changing the name /might/ be good, but you have to consider what
> you're re-branding for. Are you re-branding to sell a platform to
> build sites (glue as Euan suggested?) or to sell to the
> Wordpress/Drupal style market where they just want a ready to go
> platform. i.e. developers or (I struggle to find the right word here,
> non-technical site owners?)
>
>
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