[geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 26, Issue 30

Tue Mar 31 22:48:36 EDT 2009

Hey Matt and all,

Here is my revised proposal.. Tell me what you think!

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfc479g_0cwc6w2hk

Tim

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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Tim Patrick)
>    2. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Randy Kolenko)
>    3. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Vincent Furia)
>    4. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Website Master)
>    5. Suggestion: encourage plugin developers to use both	templates
>       in themes and root (Euan McKay)
>    6. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:56:29 -0400
> From: Tim Patrick <tcsp1900 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> 
> In regards to the 'phoning home' for updates, I thought of the idea of having the manual update instead of phoning home, but i think it has a big flaw. Suppose for example one of the plugins has a giant security flaw. There is no way to force the user to upgrade, and to be honest most users will not manually check for security updates. Maybe a better idea would be to have a mix of this idea and the phoning home - Manual update for all normal updates, but the manager still checks a security file for updates, for forced security updates.
> 
> What do you guys think?
> 
> Tim
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:09:44 -0400
> From: "Randy Kolenko" <Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal
> To: "Geeklog Development" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> Visions of automated Windows Update flash through my head -- Automatic
> update done on my vista laptop destroys 1/2 my software.  Not sure who
> is to blame for that situation... Me for not testing the updates or even
> reading what they are, or Microsoft for pushing the update.
> 
> Its probably a better idea to have the updates to be configurable
> option.  Give the user the option to automatically update or not for
> both critical and non critical items.
> Other options could be an email alert or things like a warning banner
> bar across the top of the page output or something to that effect.  
> 
> -randy
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Patrick [mailto:tcsp1900 at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal
> 
> 
> In regards to the 'phoning home' for updates, I thought of the idea of
> having the manual update instead of phoning home, but i think it has a
> big flaw. Suppose for example one of the plugins has a giant security
> flaw. There is no way to force the user to upgrade, and to be honest
> most users will not manually check for security updates. Maybe a better
> idea would be to have a mix of this idea and the phoning home - Manual
> update for all normal updates, but the manager still checks a security
> file for updates, for forced security updates.
> 
> What do you guys think?
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:42:53 -0600
> From: Vincent Furia <vfuria at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Message-ID:
> 	<8319e2d60903300942o75226848g59bc5a7bdad9e8e3 at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> I'm with Randy. Users (in this case site owners) shouldn't be forced to do
> automatic updates. Having the (opt-in) option available though is probably a
> good idea. I'm not sure its worth the overhead to differentiate between
> between "critical" and "non-critical" updates.
> 
> -Vinny
> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Randy Kolenko <Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca>wrote:
> 
> > Visions of automated Windows Update flash through my head -- Automatic
> > update done on my vista laptop destroys 1/2 my software.  Not sure who
> > is to blame for that situation... Me for not testing the updates or even
> > reading what they are, or Microsoft for pushing the update.
> >
> > Its probably a better idea to have the updates to be configurable
> > option.  Give the user the option to automatically update or not for
> > both critical and non critical items.
> > Other options could be an email alert or things like a warning banner
> > bar across the top of the page output or something to that effect.
> >
> > -randy
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Patrick [mailto:tcsp1900 at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:56 AM
> > To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal
> >
> >
> > In regards to the 'phoning home' for updates, I thought of the idea of
> > having the manual update instead of phoning home, but i think it has a
> > big flaw. Suppose for example one of the plugins has a giant security
> > flaw. There is no way to force the user to upgrade, and to be honest
> > most users will not manually check for security updates. Maybe a better
> > idea would be to have a mix of this idea and the phoning home - Manual
> > update for all normal updates, but the manager still checks a security
> > file for updates, for forced security updates.
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:34:51 -0400
> From: "Website Master" <websitemaster at cogeco.net>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal
> To: "'Geeklog Development'" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> I like the idea of phoning home to see if upgrades are available as long as
> it is configurable. Automatically installing the update, I probably would
> never use, since a number of plugins I use I have done code mods and
> template/css changes. Even Plugins I have not modified I would still want to
> be there when the upgrade is installed since I would want to test the
> update. 
> 
> Tom
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Randy Kolenko
> Sent: March-30-09 12:10 PM
> To: Geeklog Development
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal
> 
> Visions of automated Windows Update flash through my head -- Automatic
> update done on my vista laptop destroys 1/2 my software.  Not sure who
> is to blame for that situation... Me for not testing the updates or even
> reading what they are, or Microsoft for pushing the update.
> 
> Its probably a better idea to have the updates to be configurable
> option.  Give the user the option to automatically update or not for
> both critical and non critical items.
> Other options could be an email alert or things like a warning banner
> bar across the top of the page output or something to that effect.  
> 
> -randy
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Patrick [mailto:tcsp1900 at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal
> 
> 
> In regards to the 'phoning home' for updates, I thought of the idea of
> having the manual update instead of phoning home, but i think it has a
> big flaw. Suppose for example one of the plugins has a giant security
> flaw. There is no way to force the user to upgrade, and to be honest
> most users will not manually check for security updates. Maybe a better
> idea would be to have a mix of this idea and the phoning home - Manual
> update for all normal updates, but the manager still checks a security
> file for updates, for forced security updates.
> 
> What do you guys think?
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:44:12 +0900
> From: Euan McKay <info at heatherengineering.com>
> Subject: [geeklog-devel] Suggestion: encourage plugin developers to
> 	use both	templates in themes and root
> To: ?Geeklog?? Development?? 	<geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
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> A random thought that needs development came from this comment by Tom:
> 
> > Automatically installing the update, I probably would
> > never use, since a number of plugins I use I have done code mods and
> > template/css changes.
> 
> I now usually use a simple check in functions.inc to see if a folder
> exists in the theme folder, and if it does, set that as the path to
> the template files. If not, I use the standard templates folder in the
> plugin root. In the plugin, all new template calls use the template
> path variable I defined.
> 
> This means that if I upgrade a plugin, I don't lose my changes to the
> templates. Of course, there are problems, and I still have to update
> template files if there have been changes to them, but it means I can
> update easily if it is just a code change.
> 
> This might also be something to consider for the plugins repository: a
> flag to show "template changes have been made" when a plugin is
> updated.
> 
> 2 yen.
> 
> Euan.
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:38:40 -0400
> From: Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio <chipper at llamas.net>
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal
> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Message-ID: <20090331133840.GA5953 at chipsworld.llamas.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:42:53AM -0600, Vincent Furia wrote:
> >   a good idea. I'm not sure its worth the overhead to differentiate between
> >   between "critical" and "non-critical" updates.
> >
> >   -Vinny
> >
> 
> Since the intent is to use an RSS feed, you can provide that information on
> the title or body portion of the feed.  After that, it's all about
> presentation (you could have a plugin update css hint, hint)
> 
> Chip
> 
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