[geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 26, Issue 30

[Tim Patrick]

Hey Matt and all,

Here is my revised proposal.. Tell me what you think!

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgfc479g_0cwc6w2hk

Tim


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> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:00:02 -0400

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>    1. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Tim Patrick)

>    2. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Randy Kolenko)

>    3. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Vincent Furia)

>    4. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Website Master)

>    5. Suggestion: encourage plugin developers to use both	templates

>       in themes and root (Euan McKay)

>    6. Re: GSOC 2009 Proposal (Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:56:29 -0400

> From: Tim Patrick <tcsp1900 at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal

> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

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> 

> In regards to the 'phoning home' for updates, I thought of the idea of having the manual update instead of phoning home, but i think it has a big flaw. Suppose for example one of the plugins has a giant security flaw. There is no way to force the user to upgrade, and to be honest most users will not manually check for security updates. Maybe a better idea would be to have a mix of this idea and the phoning home - Manual update for all normal updates, but the manager still checks a security file for updates, for forced security updates.

> 

> What do you guys think?

> 

> Tim

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> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:09:44 -0400

> From: "Randy Kolenko" <Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca>

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal

> To: "Geeklog Development" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

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> Visions of automated Windows Update flash through my head -- Automatic

> update done on my vista laptop destroys 1/2 my software.  Not sure who

> is to blame for that situation... Me for not testing the updates or even

> reading what they are, or Microsoft for pushing the update.

> 

> Its probably a better idea to have the updates to be configurable

> option.  Give the user the option to automatically update or not for

> both critical and non critical items.

> Other options could be an email alert or things like a warning banner

> bar across the top of the page output or something to that effect.  

> 

> -randy

> 

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Tim Patrick [mailto:tcsp1900 at hotmail.com] 

> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:56 AM

> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal

> 

> 

> In regards to the 'phoning home' for updates, I thought of the idea of

> having the manual update instead of phoning home, but i think it has a

> big flaw. Suppose for example one of the plugins has a giant security

> flaw. There is no way to force the user to upgrade, and to be honest

> most users will not manually check for security updates. Maybe a better

> idea would be to have a mix of this idea and the phoning home - Manual

> update for all normal updates, but the manager still checks a security

> file for updates, for forced security updates.

> 

> What do you guys think?

> 

> Tim

> 

> 

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> Message: 3

> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:42:53 -0600

> From: Vincent Furia <vfuria at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal

> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

> Message-ID:

> 	<8319e2d60903300942o75226848g59bc5a7bdad9e8e3 at mail.gmail.com>

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> 

> I'm with Randy. Users (in this case site owners) shouldn't be forced to do

> automatic updates. Having the (opt-in) option available though is probably a

> good idea. I'm not sure its worth the overhead to differentiate between

> between "critical" and "non-critical" updates.

> 

> -Vinny

> 

> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Randy Kolenko <Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca>wrote:

> 

> > Visions of automated Windows Update flash through my head -- Automatic

> > update done on my vista laptop destroys 1/2 my software.  Not sure who

> > is to blame for that situation... Me for not testing the updates or even

> > reading what they are, or Microsoft for pushing the update.

> >

> > Its probably a better idea to have the updates to be configurable

> > option.  Give the user the option to automatically update or not for

> > both critical and non critical items.

> > Other options could be an email alert or things like a warning banner

> > bar across the top of the page output or something to that effect.

> >

> > -randy

> >

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Tim Patrick [mailto:tcsp1900 at hotmail.com]

> > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:56 AM

> > To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal

> >

> >

> > In regards to the 'phoning home' for updates, I thought of the idea of

> > having the manual update instead of phoning home, but i think it has a

> > big flaw. Suppose for example one of the plugins has a giant security

> > flaw. There is no way to force the user to upgrade, and to be honest

> > most users will not manually check for security updates. Maybe a better

> > idea would be to have a mix of this idea and the phoning home - Manual

> > update for all normal updates, but the manager still checks a security

> > file for updates, for forced security updates.

> >

> > What do you guys think?

> >

> > Tim

> >

> >

> >

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> Message: 4

> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:34:51 -0400

> From: "Website Master" <websitemaster at cogeco.net>

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal

> To: "'Geeklog Development'" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

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> I like the idea of phoning home to see if upgrades are available as long as

> it is configurable. Automatically installing the update, I probably would

> never use, since a number of plugins I use I have done code mods and

> template/css changes. Even Plugins I have not modified I would still want to

> be there when the upgrade is installed since I would want to test the

> update. 

> 

> Tom

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net

> [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Randy Kolenko

> Sent: March-30-09 12:10 PM

> To: Geeklog Development

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal

> 

> Visions of automated Windows Update flash through my head -- Automatic

> update done on my vista laptop destroys 1/2 my software.  Not sure who

> is to blame for that situation... Me for not testing the updates or even

> reading what they are, or Microsoft for pushing the update.

> 

> Its probably a better idea to have the updates to be configurable

> option.  Give the user the option to automatically update or not for

> both critical and non critical items.

> Other options could be an email alert or things like a warning banner

> bar across the top of the page output or something to that effect.  

> 

> -randy

> 

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Tim Patrick [mailto:tcsp1900 at hotmail.com] 

> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:56 AM

> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal

> 

> 

> In regards to the 'phoning home' for updates, I thought of the idea of

> having the manual update instead of phoning home, but i think it has a

> big flaw. Suppose for example one of the plugins has a giant security

> flaw. There is no way to force the user to upgrade, and to be honest

> most users will not manually check for security updates. Maybe a better

> idea would be to have a mix of this idea and the phoning home - Manual

> update for all normal updates, but the manager still checks a security

> file for updates, for forced security updates.

> 

> What do you guys think?

> 

> Tim

> 

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> Message: 5

> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:44:12 +0900

> From: Euan McKay <info at heatherengineering.com>

> Subject: [geeklog-devel] Suggestion: encourage plugin developers to

> 	use both	templates in themes and root

> To: ?Geeklog?? Development?? 	<geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

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> A random thought that needs development came from this comment by Tom:

> 

> > Automatically installing the update, I probably would

> > never use, since a number of plugins I use I have done code mods and

> > template/css changes.

> 

> I now usually use a simple check in functions.inc to see if a folder

> exists in the theme folder, and if it does, set that as the path to

> the template files. If not, I use the standard templates folder in the

> plugin root. In the plugin, all new template calls use the template

> path variable I defined.

> 

> This means that if I upgrade a plugin, I don't lose my changes to the

> templates. Of course, there are problems, and I still have to update

> template files if there have been changes to them, but it means I can

> update easily if it is just a code change.

> 

> This might also be something to consider for the plugins repository: a

> flag to show "template changes have been made" when a plugin is

> updated.

> 

> 2 yen.

> 

> Euan.

> 

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> Message: 6

> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:38:40 -0400

> From: Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio <chipper at llamas.net>

> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2009 Proposal

> To: Geeklog Development <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>

> Message-ID: <20090331133840.GA5953 at chipsworld.llamas.net>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

> 

> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:42:53AM -0600, Vincent Furia wrote:

> >   a good idea. I'm not sure its worth the overhead to differentiate between

> >   between "critical" and "non-critical" updates.

> >

> >   -Vinny

> >

> 

> Since the intent is to use an RSS feed, you can provide that information on

> the title or body portion of the feed.  After that, it's all about

> presentation (you could have a plugin update css hint, hint)

> 

> Chip

> 

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