[geeklog-users] Much ado about nothing?

[Peter Hopfgartner]

On Wed, 2003-01-01 at 16:48, Dirk Haun wrote:

> First of all, I have to say that a few people have blown this completely
> out of proportion. I mean, it's not that we're discussing our secret
> plans for world domination in there or something. Take, for example, that
> comment on the current poll on geeklog.net accusing the developers of
> being "a bunch of elitists". Erm, excuse me?

Well, I have to decide for a blog to support for several installations.
Geeklog looks good, but:

1) Which developments are currently happenening? I don't know. You keep
it for yourself. I mean, I have some responsibility for my customers and
I have to take some decisions for what they will have in some months.

2) Closely related: What is Geeklog 2. There some quite generic goals
paper, but what is happenening in the development? You keep it for
yourself.

2) I would need to apply some changes. First of all, I would like to
avoid to set register_globals=Off. I submitted some patches, but there
has been absolutely no reactions if this kind of effort is appreciated.
You keep it for yourself.

My personal interpretation of this situation is: Dear waanabe
developers, please keep of. We do not want to tell you what we are
doing. We do not want to know your opinion. We do not want your
contribution.

So in the end I will end looking somewhere else.

 
> 
> We're trying to separate support requests and discussions related to
> development, so that's why the original geeklog-devel list has now been
> split into geeklog-users and the new geeklog-devel list. And from my
> experience on Usenet, I know exactly that this will not stop some people
> from posting their support questions to the devel list "since it's more
> likely that the developers read it then".

Indeed, it makes sense to allow only developers for the list. Only
people interested in the deveopment should be allowed to post to the
list. (Sigh, I've been rejected).

> Hence the decision for closing
> the devel list. Both Tony and I are subscribed to the geeklog-users list,
> btw, and I'm sure the other developers will follow shortly.
> 
> Obviously, there's demand for a place for other development-related
> discussions, which we hadn't expected. No problem with this, we're
> creating yet another list for this (tentatively named geeklog-devtalk).
> 

I can't really find a precise reason for this split. Much bigger
projects have only one development list, not a class A and a class B dev
list.

> Historically, there has been a closed mailing list for the core
> developers for some time now. It was introduced when the security issues
> were found that led to the Geeklog 1.3.5sr1 and sr2 releases. So
> obviously we, the developers, also need our own little place to discuss
> issues like that.
> 
> This is also the reason why the archives for the (new) geeklog-devel list
> are not currently available. There's a post on that list about someone's
> site not being secured properly.
> 
These kind of things, that happen rarely, could be easily delt with
through private mail. I do not think that hiding the whole developent
discussions helps much.

> As Tony already wrote over on the old geeklog-devel list, we're going to
> make the archives of geeklog-devel available (and/or post daily digests
> of it). We're not trying to hide anything related to the development of
> Geeklog - that was never the intention of closing the devel list.
If at least the archive will be public, then , please, forget about half
of my post.
> 
> We just need places were
> a) the people involved in the development can discuss technical things
> like design decisions, implementation details, etc. without those posts
> being intersparsed with support requests
That's usually the developers list. Only approved developers can post,
everybody can read the archives.
> b) things like security issues or other sensitive information can be posted
Why not private mail? Some whoever at geeklog.net accounts or something
similar.
> 
> 
> Now, if you would please give us a couple of days to resolve the last
> issues with setting up all those new lists properly? Then we can all go
> back to using, developing and supporting Geeklog like we always did.
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> 
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> 
Best regards,

Peter