[geeklog-devel] [geeklog-cvs] Geeklog-1.x

[Mark R. Evans]

Joe,

It appears the feature freeze was only limited to some, not all.

http://eight.pairlist.net/pipermail/geeklog-devel/2007-September/002325.html-
Oliver announces he can make a pure CSS layout.   On Sept 27, he
committed
the changes:
http://eight.pairlist.net/pipermail/geeklog-cvs/2007-September/003523.html

Too bad this particular change doesn't actually work, it just complicates
the code and doesn't produce anything useful.

The XHTML is finally adopted, talk about new features!

Let's see, Blaine committed a new feature just this week.  I'm sure I could
go dig through CVS and find a few more, but why bother...

The reason I am so passionate about this is that there are a few things with
Geeklog v1.5 that really bring Geeklog to a point that it is truly an
incredible CMS.  The new installation and online configuration are wonderful
enhancements that addressed an area where Geeklog needed a shot in the arm.

The XHTML capability now opens up Geeklog to some incredible options.  Eric
and I will be releasing some theming tools and techniques that will allow
pure CSS driven designs and still maintain Geeklog's flexibility of having
dynamic layouts (1,2 or 3 columns).

The final area where Geeklog needs improvement is the template engine.  What
Joe has done is perfect.  It is 100% backward compatible, it provides a
speed improvement and introduces new features to significantly improve how
templates are used.

As I sit on the sidelines and watch all this unfold, it basically pisses me
off that Joe goes to all this effort, I champion it and provide
benchmarking, testing and validation and it is completely ignored, over and
over.  After 3 months of begging on this list for at least a response, we
get 'Better luck next time' with a reference to a freeze that was selective
at best.

If I could actually find an ounce of logic in all this I wouldn't bother
with this post, but it simply makes no sense to me.  How do you ignore
something that provides such value with little risk.  How do you ignore all
this work and effort for so long to end it with 'Better luck next time'.
How do you believe there will be a next time when this is how it was treated
this time?

Confused....
Mark




On 11/25/07, Joe Mucchiello <joe at throwingdice.com> wrote:
>
> At 09:54 AM 11/25/2007, Dirk Haun wrote:
> >The discussion months ago didn't provide a solution, then a feature
> >freeze was called and only then did this new version arrive. Bad timing.
> >Better luck next time.
>
> Below is the first reference to the code being frozen that I can
> find. I posted that the library was ready for testing that same day
> Sept. 1. At this point the code worked with GL core perfectly (after
> the couple patches to core).
>
> At 08:45 AM 9/1/2007, Joe Mucchiello wrote:
> >At 05:48 AM 9/1/2007, Dirk Haun wrote:
> >>Now that the Summer of Code is over (thanks everyone, btw!) and the code
> >>has landed in CVS, we should stop adding new features and concentrate on
> >>cleaning up and move onwards to the next release.
> >
> >Almost forgot.... I hope there's room for one more feature. I have
> >finally finished the caching version of template library. I think
> >Michael was going to test that for me but I don't know if he still
> >has time. I've been running the new template library on my calendar
> >test site as well as for all my local development so it should be
> >pretty stable. Anyone who wants a copy, let me know.
>
> The library had most of the bugs shaken out of it by 9/18 as seen in this
> post.
>
> At 11:07 AM 9/18/2007, Joe Mucchiello wrote:
> >Mark has been running gllabs.org on the new template library. He has
> >a stats page from his use of xdebug showing the slight improvements:
> >http://www.gllabs.org/staticpages/index.php?page=cachetemplate (I'm
> >hoping you don't mind my posting that, Mark.)
>
> Since there was no progress with getting it into CVS up until then I
> posted the hack to geeklog.net on Oct 8. Here's my formal post about
> putting it up. There was a single bugs after that but I haven't
> uploaded that fixed version anywhere except to Mark directly.
>
> At 02:29 AM 10/11/2007, Joe Mucchiello wrote:
> > Well I finally finished the template caching library. It's posted
> to geeklog.net as a hack:
> http://www.geeklog.net/filemgmt/visit.php?lid=871 Mark Evans has been
> running the library on gllabs.org  for a while now so there should
> not be any major issues left with the library.
>
> As I have said many times, the potential template bugs in plugins
> makes the major changes to ADMIN_list a very convenient time to add
> the caching library to the core. Most 1.4.1 plugins will not run on
> 1.5 because of the changes to ADMIN_list. So forcing the template
> bugs to show up at the same time will make it easier for the plugin
> users. Saving the caching library for 1.5.1 just means 1.5 plugins
> will not be compatible with 1.5.1 if they have the same template bugs
> as many plugins have now. This will mean users upgrading from 1.4.1
> to 1.5 and then to 1.5.1 will need all new plugins twice.
>
> As Mark pointed out, the limited "if" capability in the template
> caching means lots of little template files could go away. Delaying
> that another 6 months does the theme authors no courtesy.
>
> ----
> Joe Mucchiello
> Throwing Dice Games
> http://www.throwingdice.com
>
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